| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? 17:08 - Feb 27 with 4057 views | Jules4367 |
Oh yes, QPR snatches defeat again from the closing jaws of victory!!!
My wife has now become a believer.
QPR are winning 0-1 she says to reassure me and there are only 15 minutes left.
Wait till the 80th minute I said to her, they will all switch off and by the 85th minute it will be 1-1 or even 2-1
Time passes....
1-1 - you 'jinxed it!' she said.
time passes
2-1
How did you know? she asks
I support QPR and that is what they do!
Oh well - rant over!
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 19:26 - Feb 27 with 1327 views | kensalriser |
Come on, this was classic QPR, we all know that. |  |
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 19:34 - Feb 27 with 1304 views | Myke |
This result doesn't pee me off as much as the Derby one, I suppose because the points dropped against a relegation rival (at that time) was more significant than today. But I certainly didn't see it coming. Firstly, because Austin's goal, similar to v Luton, should have given us a nice platform for the second half and secondly, I could not see Birmingham scoring twice with their strikers and our new super mean defence.
I think removing Austin that early was a mistake, I don't care too much about sports science, but I am a big believer in psychology. For them to see Austin leave heartened them and made them believe we wouldn't score again. It also disheartened us for the very same reason.
What I can't understand is how we seem to be just as knackered as everybody else in the last two games, despite the fact that we have played two games less. The two games in hand are feck all good to us, if we can't lift a leg from exhaustion | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 20:11 - Feb 27 with 1235 views | ted_hendrix |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 19:34 - Feb 27 by Myke |
This result doesn't pee me off as much as the Derby one, I suppose because the points dropped against a relegation rival (at that time) was more significant than today. But I certainly didn't see it coming. Firstly, because Austin's goal, similar to v Luton, should have given us a nice platform for the second half and secondly, I could not see Birmingham scoring twice with their strikers and our new super mean defence.
I think removing Austin that early was a mistake, I don't care too much about sports science, but I am a big believer in psychology. For them to see Austin leave heartened them and made them believe we wouldn't score again. It also disheartened us for the very same reason.
What I can't understand is how we seem to be just as knackered as everybody else in the last two games, despite the fact that we have played two games less. The two games in hand are feck all good to us, if we can't lift a leg from exhaustion |
*I think removing Austin that early was a mistake*
Taken off around the the 55th minute I believe, quite possibly 10 minutes to soon.
He's not gonna do close to 90 minutes per game under the current fixture list, I hope and pray that he doesn't get injured anytime soon either, the thought of him missing a few games through injury almost fills me with dread, one of the reasons for that being he is well known as being slow to get up to speed when coming back from an injury.
I hate seeing him substituted like most people but I understand it, I see it as a necessary evil so to speak. |  |
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 20:33 - Feb 27 with 1187 views | Myke |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 20:11 - Feb 27 by ted_hendrix |
*I think removing Austin that early was a mistake*
Taken off around the the 55th minute I believe, quite possibly 10 minutes to soon.
He's not gonna do close to 90 minutes per game under the current fixture list, I hope and pray that he doesn't get injured anytime soon either, the thought of him missing a few games through injury almost fills me with dread, one of the reasons for that being he is well known as being slow to get up to speed when coming back from an injury.
I hate seeing him substituted like most people but I understand it, I see it as a necessary evil so to speak. |
I get it Ted, I just think that if you plan too much for the next game, you weaken your team unnecessarily for the game you are actually playing. For me, on current form, Birmingham are imminently more beatable than Bansley. So 'resting' players by taking them off prematurely, when we are leading and have a strong foothold on the game, just sends out the wrong signals to both sets of players.
We did something similar against Millwall, by removing Chair and Carroll simultaneously and damn nearly lost a game we should have won. Today we DID lose a game we should have won. What ever happened to the 'one game at a time' philosophy that most managers live by. If we lose to Barnsley, which is a real possibility, then Warburton has put himself and the team under unnecessary pressure. Whereas, if we had won today and then lost to Barnsley there would barely be a murmur of discontent. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 20:37 - Feb 27 with 1169 views | stowmarketrange |
We aren’t known as charity park rangers for nothing.A team that haven’t won at home for 4 months against a Qpr side on good form.
It has happened quite a few times in the past and we always seem to fall flat on our faces. |  | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 23:16 - Feb 27 with 1063 views | Match82 |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 20:33 - Feb 27 by Myke |
I get it Ted, I just think that if you plan too much for the next game, you weaken your team unnecessarily for the game you are actually playing. For me, on current form, Birmingham are imminently more beatable than Bansley. So 'resting' players by taking them off prematurely, when we are leading and have a strong foothold on the game, just sends out the wrong signals to both sets of players.
We did something similar against Millwall, by removing Chair and Carroll simultaneously and damn nearly lost a game we should have won. Today we DID lose a game we should have won. What ever happened to the 'one game at a time' philosophy that most managers live by. If we lose to Barnsley, which is a real possibility, then Warburton has put himself and the team under unnecessary pressure. Whereas, if we had won today and then lost to Barnsley there would barely be a murmur of discontent. |
Agree that you win the game in front of you. But those changes didn't make us worse, we dominated the game more from the 55th to 80th minutes than we had for the first 55.
All you can ask for from substitutions is that they strengthen the team. I might be alone here but I think they did, I don't think it's fair to look back with hindsight and say we lost so the subs were wrong. We got hit by a weird sucker punch and then a great individual goal. It happens and it sucks. |  | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 00:25 - Feb 28 with 1028 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
I was watching the match thread and going off the comments we were looking good to at least get a point wost case senario.The second goal while a stunning strike is a pretty big dagger to our momentum I fear .
If MW is going to take off Charlie every game why not sit him at the start then put him on if we need an equalizer or winner .It is a huge physiological lift for us and a worry for the opposition when he appears | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 00:42 - Feb 28 with 1008 views | timcocking |
That was a bloody painful one. That miss by Johansen...damn. Once that was missed, it felt certain we were going to regret it. Such a shame. |  | | |
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 00:53 - Feb 28 with 995 views | FredManRave |
Won't somebody think of Brooklyn. He must be feeling particularly unlistened to at the moment.
I should add I upvoted Antti's post but without dissecting the op too much I think most of us can see both sides. All too easy to ignore recent performances as mentioned by Antti in his subsequently "vitriolic" post where we had done the exact opposite of what was being stated by the op but then as somebody said we're not called Charity Park Rangers for nothing. So yeah, let's leave it there.
Apologies Brooklyn. |  |
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 06:44 - Feb 28 with 938 views | nix |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 00:53 - Feb 28 by FredManRave |
Won't somebody think of Brooklyn. He must be feeling particularly unlistened to at the moment.
I should add I upvoted Antti's post but without dissecting the op too much I think most of us can see both sides. All too easy to ignore recent performances as mentioned by Antti in his subsequently "vitriolic" post where we had done the exact opposite of what was being stated by the op but then as somebody said we're not called Charity Park Rangers for nothing. So yeah, let's leave it there.
Apologies Brooklyn. |
I don't really see why we have to listen to one poster and agree with them if we don't see it the same way?
It's not the ranting I object to and argue against, it's the conclusion. That's why i think the same way as Antti.
If someone says, in this match we did x,y and z, and we should have done a,b,c then that's fine, fill your boots. But in my experience it regularly turns to, and we always do x, y and z and we never do a,b and c. Or this player is useless at this, that and the other, completely ignoring their strengths. Whereas other teams/managers/players are soooo much better at it. When that isn't often true. Which leads v quickly to, we need to get rid of half the team, the manager, the coaches, the DoF, the owners because it will never change until we have different people in those roles. I've also seen that negativity like that, when repeated starts turning other posters down that path. So if someone's understandable ranting turns to the 'but we always/never do that' I'm likely to push back on that with, you know, facts and evidence.
Now I want to see consistency in personnel. I can see that people are doing good jobs. I can see how damaging changing managers all the time can be. I can see how slagging off players online can ruin their confidence. If, for instance, Warburton reads these posts and ends up leaving because of some of the vitriol that would really piss me off because I think he's doing a good job overall. Are there better managers out there? Probably. Would they come to QPR? Almost definitely not. Pep's busy atm. He's working on a low budget, with probably a lower salary than lots of the other managers. Are there worse managers? Absolutely lots of them. And people so often aren't seeing the bigger picture.
So complaining why is he taking off CA every week? But just suggesting that we are 'lucky' to have fewer injuries than other teams. Maybe it's not luck, maybe it's because he has actually got more information than us and is using it. He's started being more conservative and resting players because we've got a shed load of games coming up, a v thin squad and we really can't afford to lose Chair, CA, or Johansen for six weeks.
So, no, I don't feel I need to leave it there or apologise for disagreeing with someone. And that's not a criticism of you, just that I see it differently. |  | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 08:54 - Feb 28 with 852 views | PinnerPaul |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 17:15 - Feb 27 by Jules4367 |
Yes- that's how I knew and if you accept it and think that its ok then, sorry, that's how you support them fine, accept the late losses.
I support them my way and get peeved when they do this again and again The good teams don't - we do! |
The last time we lost 2-1 after winning 1-0 was?????????????????????????? | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 09:19 - Feb 28 with 825 views | plasmahoop |
I think its also the disadvantage of being more direct. Im all for us being more pragmatic, and clearing our lines and not playing out from the back as much. But when you punt it longer, often it just comes back again. For a lot of the game birmingham didnt do much with it, but they got a bit of a head of steam up and we werent able to hold on to the ball. Its disappointing, but the way it goes sometimes. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 09:21 - Feb 28 with 824 views | BklynRanger |
In defence of my defence I'd had 3 adnams broadsides at the time of the opening rant and was feeling quite mellow despite the very irritating loss.
If the OP could emote in the same fashion next time a good run ends I'll be able to compare my reaction based on whatever I'm drinking then - could be some value in it for the beverage industry. [Post edited 28 Feb 2021 9:22]
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 09:51 - Feb 28 with 791 views | gazza1 |
In answer to the OP question......nobody knew!!
I was shocked (& well depressed and miserable) that we lost yesterday.......we were reasonably comfortable heading to the end of the match. Should have been more comfortable but we missed good opportunities. Questionable throw in given against us, poorly defended, 1-1. Then a good strike, poorly defended, 2-1
Lost 3 points ...... very annoying, etc, etc, etc. We need to learn from it. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 10:05 - Feb 28 with 766 views | francisbowles |
Birmingham's confidence was on the up after a win and a very unlucky loss to Norwich in their last two games. That seems to be missing on this thread as 'low on confidence' seems to be in posters minds.
Unfortunately it seems we caught them at the wrong time. They had the belief to keep going to he end, as aided by our missed chances, they had managed to stay in the game. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 10:05 - Feb 28 with 765 views | Mole_Senior |
Come on chaps - we all know we’re a half glass empty fan base rather than a glass half full group! The moment Johansen missed that sitter, I WhatsApped my mate and said ‘that’ll cost us!’
What angered me most about yesterday’s game was our level of play. We outplayed Watford and Luton and went toe-to-toe with Brentford and Bournemouth and yet, against a team as dire as Birmingham, we stooped to their level and played hoof-ball for the best part of 85 minutes?
I know the pitch was awful, but Birmingham actually tried to play at times and we looked more like a Sunday league side! I can accept early subs to preserve Austin et al, good unbeaten runs coming to an end and even losing to a side as dog awful as Brum, but that performance was undefendable - sorry! |  | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 10:38 - Feb 28 with 722 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 23:16 - Feb 27 by Match82 |
Agree that you win the game in front of you. But those changes didn't make us worse, we dominated the game more from the 55th to 80th minutes than we had for the first 55.
All you can ask for from substitutions is that they strengthen the team. I might be alone here but I think they did, I don't think it's fair to look back with hindsight and say we lost so the subs were wrong. We got hit by a weird sucker punch and then a great individual goal. It happens and it sucks. |
Thought all the substitutions were poor yesterday: Austin far too early, would’ve brought Chair on for Willock, and he should’ve used the other two well before 5 minutes to go AFTER Birmingham had scored both goals. Would’ve left Bonne on for the whole game as I have seen nothing to suggest Kelman is ready for Championship football yet (hopefully gets a decent loan out next season) |  | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 11:06 - Feb 28 with 710 views | golborne |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 18:30 - Feb 27 by NorthantsHoop |
We should have held onto this one, but Birmingham made the more decisive subs and the young Croatian Halilovic was running the midfield a bit when he came on, and rounded it off with a great finish for the winner. Still onwards to the Barnsley game. |
I see it different, their subs took the steam out of them. We, whilst still having an off day, took control of the game for the first 25 mins of the 2nd half and came very close through Johansson and Dykes. The game then died for 10 mins at which point I really could have switched it off, it was that poor and I wasn’t prepared for it getting worse. The cross for the header drops anywhere different and it gets cleared as they did all afternoon. It was a freakishly accurate lob, nothing more. The 2nd was probably down to defensive minded players not taking control. It was Dykes back trying to close down whilst our defensive midfielders stood watching instead of getting out to it. They set up not to lose and did a job on us - there was absolutely no room to move the ball around in that midfield, and that pitch definitely doesn’t lend itself to a passing game. We needed Willock looking to get up beyond the strikers the same way Chair often does to turn them. He just didn’t get to grips with the position and was easily marked by their anchor man sat between the defence and midfield. The match deserved nothing, let alone us. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 11:45 - Feb 28 with 673 views | JamesB1979 |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 19:08 - Feb 27 by thame_hoops |
I think the original poster was just commenting and making light of a funny story between him and his wife. Not sure it needs the vitriol from you. Obviously he can defend himself, but I think he meant it as a very lighthearted post. chill |
Exactly how I saw it. Think was just a rant of frustration at the general frustration of supporting qpr. Not a reflection on this season or recent form. Don’t think it needed the malicious comments either. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 12:08 - Feb 28 with 630 views | Dorse |
If only QPR would take a leaf out of Meatloaf's book and not do that. |  |
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| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 12:47 - Feb 28 with 596 views | ManinBlack |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 11:45 - Feb 28 by JamesB1979 |
Exactly how I saw it. Think was just a rant of frustration at the general frustration of supporting qpr. Not a reflection on this season or recent form. Don’t think it needed the malicious comments either. |
Totally agree with this. Everyone has an opinion on how it appears to them.
We have always done this against the poorer sides. You can go back to the 1982-83 season when we won the title by 10 clear points but that didn't stop us losing to Carlisle and Burnley who both went down.
It's the charitable side to us that riles me. Birmingham no wins at home in 4 months so along we come to put that right in the final 10 minutes.
The two away games this week were back to the level of performances on the road before our good run started. The concern is whether we will now revert to a poor run of form just when we had very winnable games after beating Bournemouth.
St Andrews has been a good ground for us in recent seasons so to get beaten twice there this season with very late goals is a choker. Perhaps it is no great surprise about the state of the pitch with Coventry and Birmingham using it every few days. |  | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 13:27 - Feb 28 with 544 views | stowmarketrange |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 12:47 - Feb 28 by ManinBlack |
Totally agree with this. Everyone has an opinion on how it appears to them.
We have always done this against the poorer sides. You can go back to the 1982-83 season when we won the title by 10 clear points but that didn't stop us losing to Carlisle and Burnley who both went down.
It's the charitable side to us that riles me. Birmingham no wins at home in 4 months so along we come to put that right in the final 10 minutes.
The two away games this week were back to the level of performances on the road before our good run started. The concern is whether we will now revert to a poor run of form just when we had very winnable games after beating Bournemouth.
St Andrews has been a good ground for us in recent seasons so to get beaten twice there this season with very late goals is a choker. Perhaps it is no great surprise about the state of the pitch with Coventry and Birmingham using it every few days. |
It even goes back to 1976.Who else could beat most of the top teams but only draw against Sheffield Utd,who were relegated?
I wouldn’t swap the wins against Watford,Bournemouth and brentford for a win against Birmingham though. | | | |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 14:51 - Feb 28 with 493 views | ManinBlack |
| How many of you actually KNEW we would do that? on 13:27 - Feb 28 by stowmarketrange |
It even goes back to 1976.Who else could beat most of the top teams but only draw against Sheffield Utd,who were relegated?
I wouldn’t swap the wins against Watford,Bournemouth and brentford for a win against Birmingham though. |
Good points. We only beat Sheffield Utd 1-0 over two matches in 75-76 and I agree it is better to have beaten the three sides you mention than Brum.
Still annoying we lost another game against Brum which we should not have done like the 4-3 last minute penalty miss. | | | |
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