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Good manager would fit in feel we are going no where slowly.Also can see Dykes being the new Lumely has done FA don't rate him.There are better options
I like Bilic, but not sure that a. we could afford him b. we could afford the Warburton pay off c. that it will make much difference with the players that we have.
On Dykes, he clearly is a good player and his impact in Scotland and at international level clearly shows that. I think though the injuries that he picked up on international duty and step up to a gruelling fixture list have hit him harder than we anticipated. He is also trying to adapt to a new country, new club, generally higher standard of football (and defenders) and much higher set of expectations than he may previously have had to deal with. Also not convinced that we have necessarily played to his strengths at times.
Ultimately he is our big investment and will come good. Maybe a need to give him a few games out to freshen him up, perhaps let Keller have a go to change things up a bit.
WBA looking to sack Bilic after he got them promoted and just got a point at Man City is peak modern football. They are only even there because Brentford bottled it ffs.
Just why he would want to come to skint QPR is an interesting question.
I too feel Dykes will come good and I hope its here and not elsewhere after we've let him go for peanuts because our fans have no patience.
WBA looking to sack Bilic after he got them promoted and just got a point at Man City is peak modern football. They are only even there because Brentford bottled it ffs.
Just why he would want to come to skint QPR is an interesting question.
I too feel Dykes will come good and I hope its here and not elsewhere after we've let him go for peanuts because our fans have no patience.
I agree. We've heard Howe and Billic banded about to replaces Warbs. Thankfully I don't think the board hang on the every word of the fan boards or fans.
As you say we couldn't afford either. People need to remember that Warburton is not here for the money. He's a very wealthy man. He doesn't need the money. He's here because he loves football and he wants to build something.
What people don't get is that sometimes to build something sustainable you have to knock it down first. Most of the team on higher wages, who all kept us comfortably in this division have had to go so there's an actuall, club left. We can blame whoever we want but that's not Warbs fault. He's here to try and build something out the ashes. And this is a phoenix job rather than just some bloke managing a team.
He's got over half a squad that has never played at this level or has little to no experience at it. I agree that he needs to change the style of play to adapt to what this set of players can and can't do, hence me banging on about 2 up front etc but I honestly don't understand how some of the fanbase think we can just chop and change now and what the real advantage is.
The aim is to stay up with this squad and get it to a level it can compete and push on. I hear people saying yeah but we spent £8m from the Eze sale on a group of players. Firstly we didn't spend that much and secondly Tony went to Brentford for £5m and decent wages and we simply can't compete. We spent money and didn't spend money on players we could afford and who, given a chance and time can develop. That's it. We are what we are now.
If we take the drop I would hope this set of players and staff would return them to the Championship straight away and push on. Obviously that is a last resort but we really need to get behind this lot for this season and make sure we stay up and then push on.
I like Billic and under other financial circumstances I would love to see him here at some stage but Warburton, despite some decisions is still very much the only man for the job on a number of levels.
Bilic is still westbum manager and wouldnt touch us with a barge pole and what comes to dykes is that If he dont hit it here and start to flourish somewhere else if sold for peanuts then it might rise the question was he properly coached and managed while he was here.
Bilic is still westbum manager and wouldnt touch us with a barge pole and what comes to dykes is that If he dont hit it here and start to flourish somewhere else if sold for peanuts then it might rise the question was he properly coached and managed while he was here.
For me Dykes is more of a Zamora type striker. He's not an Austin one. 185 games and 41 goals, less than 1 in 4 games so far career wise. Bonne 255 games and 79 goals, 1 in just over 3 games. Both I feel they need to either play alongside each other or alongside Kelman who is an unknown quantity but again hasn't as yet been prolific. People shouting at Dykes and Bonne need to remember Wells didn't exactly set the world alight here in his first stint. 40 games and 7 goals but in his second short season here 13 in 26.
It's about giving them time and we didn't have the money to get more experienced players in having missed out on Wells, Hugill and Moore. Cardiff were able to offer Moore better wages.
Our strikers need time and they need to form partnerships. Bonne specifically came here to form a partnership with Dykes but we are playing a lone striker so we fill the midfield but these strikers simply are being put under too much pressure to perform on their own up top.
I agree. We've heard Howe and Billic banded about to replaces Warbs. Thankfully I don't think the board hang on the every word of the fan boards or fans.
As you say we couldn't afford either. People need to remember that Warburton is not here for the money. He's a very wealthy man. He doesn't need the money. He's here because he loves football and he wants to build something.
What people don't get is that sometimes to build something sustainable you have to knock it down first. Most of the team on higher wages, who all kept us comfortably in this division have had to go so there's an actuall, club left. We can blame whoever we want but that's not Warbs fault. He's here to try and build something out the ashes. And this is a phoenix job rather than just some bloke managing a team.
He's got over half a squad that has never played at this level or has little to no experience at it. I agree that he needs to change the style of play to adapt to what this set of players can and can't do, hence me banging on about 2 up front etc but I honestly don't understand how some of the fanbase think we can just chop and change now and what the real advantage is.
The aim is to stay up with this squad and get it to a level it can compete and push on. I hear people saying yeah but we spent £8m from the Eze sale on a group of players. Firstly we didn't spend that much and secondly Tony went to Brentford for £5m and decent wages and we simply can't compete. We spent money and didn't spend money on players we could afford and who, given a chance and time can develop. That's it. We are what we are now.
If we take the drop I would hope this set of players and staff would return them to the Championship straight away and push on. Obviously that is a last resort but we really need to get behind this lot for this season and make sure we stay up and then push on.
I like Billic and under other financial circumstances I would love to see him here at some stage but Warburton, despite some decisions is still very much the only man for the job on a number of levels.
Spot on.
It's painful, it's not going to happen overnight, but we'll get there in the end.
I agree. We've heard Howe and Billic banded about to replaces Warbs. Thankfully I don't think the board hang on the every word of the fan boards or fans.
As you say we couldn't afford either. People need to remember that Warburton is not here for the money. He's a very wealthy man. He doesn't need the money. He's here because he loves football and he wants to build something.
What people don't get is that sometimes to build something sustainable you have to knock it down first. Most of the team on higher wages, who all kept us comfortably in this division have had to go so there's an actuall, club left. We can blame whoever we want but that's not Warbs fault. He's here to try and build something out the ashes. And this is a phoenix job rather than just some bloke managing a team.
He's got over half a squad that has never played at this level or has little to no experience at it. I agree that he needs to change the style of play to adapt to what this set of players can and can't do, hence me banging on about 2 up front etc but I honestly don't understand how some of the fanbase think we can just chop and change now and what the real advantage is.
The aim is to stay up with this squad and get it to a level it can compete and push on. I hear people saying yeah but we spent £8m from the Eze sale on a group of players. Firstly we didn't spend that much and secondly Tony went to Brentford for £5m and decent wages and we simply can't compete. We spent money and didn't spend money on players we could afford and who, given a chance and time can develop. That's it. We are what we are now.
If we take the drop I would hope this set of players and staff would return them to the Championship straight away and push on. Obviously that is a last resort but we really need to get behind this lot for this season and make sure we stay up and then push on.
I like Billic and under other financial circumstances I would love to see him here at some stage but Warburton, despite some decisions is still very much the only man for the job on a number of levels.
Yes indeed. I believe that this manager and the nucleus of this team will come good but its a couple of seasons away yet.
If we drop then so be it. Renew Warbs on either another 2 yrs deal or a 1 year rolling and replace a few of the "expired"/on last legs players (Uncle and Cameron). We would bounce back straight away I am sure.
Then push on. Constant gradual improvement should see us with a decent top 6 capable side by the 24/25 season. That will be 10 years after Hughes and Rednapp eviscerated our club.
Fine margins, Bilic was desperate to sign Eze, wined & dined him up there apparently, sought him out for a chat after our games, but Eze was always likely to stay in London and prefer playing with likes of Zaha etc if equal offer came, which it did,
Warburton lost Amos, his only mobile CDM (and now we see why he was holding some stock it him and what he does for the team) and his only decent crosser in Manning,
Hopefully Warburton gets time to address in January as has proven fairly adept in picking some decent loanees from Premier League squads which is what we need.
For me Dykes is more of a Zamora type striker. He's not an Austin one. 185 games and 41 goals, less than 1 in 4 games so far career wise. Bonne 255 games and 79 goals, 1 in just over 3 games. Both I feel they need to either play alongside each other or alongside Kelman who is an unknown quantity but again hasn't as yet been prolific. People shouting at Dykes and Bonne need to remember Wells didn't exactly set the world alight here in his first stint. 40 games and 7 goals but in his second short season here 13 in 26.
It's about giving them time and we didn't have the money to get more experienced players in having missed out on Wells, Hugill and Moore. Cardiff were able to offer Moore better wages.
Our strikers need time and they need to form partnerships. Bonne specifically came here to form a partnership with Dykes but we are playing a lone striker so we fill the midfield but these strikers simply are being put under too much pressure to perform on their own up top.
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Speaking of Austin he was playing for WBA against City when I switched it on later in the second half and he did look pretty slow .The injuries have taken such a toll its sad really .He got the ball on a breakaway and could not make it 20 yards and the commentator said he would have tried for the corner flag but there was no way that was happening and they laughed . The 5 minutes of injury time were amazing the WBA keeper pulled off 2 point blank saves to deny certain goals and Billic and Pep were going nuts on the sidelines .PG should be fined at least if not banned 1 game for interfering with the clock
I agree. We've heard Howe and Billic banded about to replaces Warbs. Thankfully I don't think the board hang on the every word of the fan boards or fans.
As you say we couldn't afford either. People need to remember that Warburton is not here for the money. He's a very wealthy man. He doesn't need the money. He's here because he loves football and he wants to build something.
What people don't get is that sometimes to build something sustainable you have to knock it down first. Most of the team on higher wages, who all kept us comfortably in this division have had to go so there's an actuall, club left. We can blame whoever we want but that's not Warbs fault. He's here to try and build something out the ashes. And this is a phoenix job rather than just some bloke managing a team.
He's got over half a squad that has never played at this level or has little to no experience at it. I agree that he needs to change the style of play to adapt to what this set of players can and can't do, hence me banging on about 2 up front etc but I honestly don't understand how some of the fanbase think we can just chop and change now and what the real advantage is.
The aim is to stay up with this squad and get it to a level it can compete and push on. I hear people saying yeah but we spent £8m from the Eze sale on a group of players. Firstly we didn't spend that much and secondly Tony went to Brentford for £5m and decent wages and we simply can't compete. We spent money and didn't spend money on players we could afford and who, given a chance and time can develop. That's it. We are what we are now.
If we take the drop I would hope this set of players and staff would return them to the Championship straight away and push on. Obviously that is a last resort but we really need to get behind this lot for this season and make sure we stay up and then push on.
I like Billic and under other financial circumstances I would love to see him here at some stage but Warburton, despite some decisions is still very much the only man for the job on a number of levels.
I admire your optimism Bosh but genuinely interested why you think we’d bounce back up from League 1 with Warbs at the helm were we to be relegated this season? I think we’re more likely to spend a few seasons there and change the manager anyway.
Having seen Slaven in his playing days at West Ham dozens of times in the chicken run , He has the minerals.
I've wanted and called for Kenny Jackett on here longer than Marita Koch's 400 meter world record but slaven would be my second choice all day long.
Unfortunately there's more chance of me dressing up like haysi fantayzee in their Dickensian Rasta crotchless leather chaps to my local boozer , than slaven coming here. No chance.
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"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
Having seen Slaven in his playing days at West Ham dozens of times in the chicken run , He has the minerals.
I've wanted and called for Kenny Jackett on here longer than Marita Koch's 400 meter world record but slaven would be my second choice all day long.
Unfortunately there's more chance of me dressing up like haysi fantayzee in their Dickensian Rasta crotchless leather chaps to my local boozer , than slaven coming here. No chance.
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I’m with you Disco , I saw his Partisan Belgrade team play spurs off the park about 6/7 years ago in the europa league and put a post up saying how we should ditch old candle face for him , alas we didn’t and we all know the rest
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
I’m with you Disco , I saw his Partisan Belgrade team play spurs off the park about 6/7 years ago in the europa league and put a post up saying how we should ditch old candle face for him , alas we didn’t and we all know the rest
Fu ck me steve, I haven't given you my weekly wednesday afternoon rant on the phone!. i shall rectify that within the next 5 minutes!
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"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
Baggies really deserve to fail with that appointment. One of the most corrupt managers in football (alledgely) and an awful playing style. May keep them up, but suspect it is likely to be a temporary phase.
Baggies really deserve to fail with that appointment. One of the most corrupt managers in football (alledgely) and an awful playing style. May keep them up, but suspect it is likely to be a temporary phase.
I'm out of the loop on that Stupot. Corrupt?
"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
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