| Stephan on 13:55 - Feb 25 with 1468 views | wombat |
| Stephan on 10:06 - Feb 25 by Monkey_Roots |
I thought the first half was decent.
We responded well to going a goal down, and I was hopeful that we could come back out for the 2nd half and continue with that positive reaction.
Then they got that bloody goal right at the end of the 1st half – Walsh hesitated, I think it was Mbengue that lost the little fella, and that was that - killer blow.
The capitulation wasn't good, obviously, and the mentality of this team to not be able to follow-up a good performance with another good performance is concerning, definitely, but certainly not a surprise given that this has been our modus operandi for quite some time.
I don't really understand the 'is he for real!' reaction, or some of the other over-the-top reaction, but that's me, and you're all entitled to your opinions.
I'm not happy with mediocrity, but i'm happy that we're moving in the right direction, and away from the relegation dogfight we've had ad nauseum the past few years. I don't think our problems can be fixed that quickly - we're going to move 2 steps forward, and 3 steps back for a while, but at times this season, the team has shown belief that we can look to the playoffs as a target, and its probable that we won't get there this season, but maybe next year?
Its a chastening loss, and the 2nd half was a hard watch, but I still think we're better off now, under Stephan, and dare i say it, even under Nourry, than we have been in many a year.
Thats my opinion, anyway. |
isse is this yes postion wise at the moment we are slightly better off , wont be in a dog fit in the last few games desperate for a win to stay up ,
Has the football improved ?
Fitness wise we are worst than last season both on the pitch and the continual impact injuires we seem to be now getting.
and this is the most importnat thing , nourry and the rest of the tesm who are rbinging players in have bet the house on some of these being solf for huge profits
varanne
Madson prob being the main two
we have finally broken madson
poku always injured
burrell we run in the ground
chair back at xmas not sure which one he was referring to
Kone is next on the impact injury hitlist
we have spent shed loads on players in the very large hope they progress and we make a profit , the correct and only way forward , they forget one thing in the masterplan ,
the players actually have to be fit to play
they need to be showing in a semi succesful team .
we spent 4.5 million edwards get our arses handed to us a few more times with him as a reg starters what he gonna be worth then ?
club wants x for varanne with a rumoured heavy sell on clause of 50% to his old club , so 5 million means a couple of mill profit for us
wonder what the other deals we have in place with the so called sellable players ?
cant wait for the end of the season now to be honest |  |
|  |
| Stephan on 14:12 - Feb 25 with 1390 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Stephan on 13:45 - Feb 25 by Hunterhoop |
Our own Chairman began his summary of the 24/25 accounts saying we were “hampered by injuries” last season. Cifuentes had loads of injuries to contend with as well. Your memory is either going or you’re deliberately distorting the reality of what happened last season. |
So you believe our injury situation overall was worse last season than this season? Your memory is either going or you’re deliberately distorting the reality of what happened last season. |  | | |
| Stephan on 14:21 - Feb 25 with 1346 views | WestbourneR |
| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |
Northern - I've obviously read you say this quite a few times. And there is a lot of sense in it.
But I'd also only agree to an extent.
You can get a special manager who builds a team that is stronger than it's parts, even if the clubs hierarchy are not the best.
Warnock was an obvious example but I really felt Warburton had us well on the right track.
Can we do better than Cifuentes and now Stephan? I suspect so. |  |
| |
| Stephan on 14:34 - Feb 25 with 1294 views | strikerace |
It is not like he has the Man City starting 11 out there.
All we can afford are guys happy to be in the Championship, compared to someone like Hollywood FC who constantly gets players from a league or two higher by throwing tons of money at them.
I think Le Shrug is doing well. With our squad and injuries how much more can you expect. You would just be thrashing into another HC that is the same or worse (as we have seen from recent previous HCs). It is not like Moyes is coming here |  | | |
| Stephan on 14:35 - Feb 25 with 1284 views | wombat |
| Stephan on 14:21 - Feb 25 by WestbourneR |
Northern - I've obviously read you say this quite a few times. And there is a lot of sense in it.
But I'd also only agree to an extent.
You can get a special manager who builds a team that is stronger than it's parts, even if the clubs hierarchy are not the best.
Warnock was an obvious example but I really felt Warburton had us well on the right track.
Can we do better than Cifuentes and now Stephan? I suspect so. |
not gonna happen unless the present set up is changed drastically, which sane manager / coach will wanrt a job when hes not in control of retty much anything , remember stephan wasnt the first choice for the job | |
| |
| Stephan on 14:41 - Feb 25 with 1268 views | daveB |
| Stephan on 13:15 - Feb 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
If we’d had the equivalent injuries last season that we’ve had this season we’d have been relegated with Cifuentes. Not sure how you can judge Stéphan properly based on what players he’s had available but of course some people are doing so and think he’s sh!t as we’re not in the playoffs….. |
We were close to the playoffs last February before the injuries hit.
Looking back at Match Previews for West Brom away we had the following missing - Jake Clarke-Salter, Zan Celar,Sam Field. Rayan Kolli,Michi Frey,Karamoko Dembele with Liam Morrison back in the squad after a two month absence.
Our forward options for that game was Alfie Lloyd who started on the bench or Paul Smyth who started up front.
We have a bigger squad this season but have still managed to get down to the bare bones |  | | |
| Stephan on 14:46 - Feb 25 with 1261 views | SW_Ranger |
| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |
Exactly! |  | | |
| Stephan on 15:58 - Feb 25 with 1112 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Stephan on 14:21 - Feb 25 by WestbourneR |
Northern - I've obviously read you say this quite a few times. And there is a lot of sense in it.
But I'd also only agree to an extent.
You can get a special manager who builds a team that is stronger than it's parts, even if the clubs hierarchy are not the best.
Warnock was an obvious example but I really felt Warburton had us well on the right track.
Can we do better than Cifuentes and now Stephan? I suspect so. |
To build lasting success you have to back the manager, give him the tools and time to do the job. With the injury crisis the club are not giving JS the tools. I hope they get it sorted for next season and then give him the time. I like JS.
Stop the stupid injuries and this is a top 6 side with a couple of CMs.
Change the coach, start again, rinse and repeat. You get nowhere. It's what this club has done for 30 years, the cycle has to be broken.
As for Warnock, he left no lasting legacy and Warburton underachieved with the team at his disposal. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Stephan on 16:05 - Feb 25 with 1088 views | kensalriser |
| Stephan on 15:58 - Feb 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
To build lasting success you have to back the manager, give him the tools and time to do the job. With the injury crisis the club are not giving JS the tools. I hope they get it sorted for next season and then give him the time. I like JS.
Stop the stupid injuries and this is a top 6 side with a couple of CMs.
Change the coach, start again, rinse and repeat. You get nowhere. It's what this club has done for 30 years, the cycle has to be broken.
As for Warnock, he left no lasting legacy and Warburton underachieved with the team at his disposal. |
People love to forget that Warnock had a division busting budget and we had the likes of Tommy Smith and Rob Hulse as squad players. |  |
| |
| Stephan on 16:14 - Feb 25 with 1056 views | francisbowles |
| Stephan on 15:58 - Feb 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
To build lasting success you have to back the manager, give him the tools and time to do the job. With the injury crisis the club are not giving JS the tools. I hope they get it sorted for next season and then give him the time. I like JS.
Stop the stupid injuries and this is a top 6 side with a couple of CMs.
Change the coach, start again, rinse and repeat. You get nowhere. It's what this club has done for 30 years, the cycle has to be broken.
As for Warnock, he left no lasting legacy and Warburton underachieved with the team at his disposal. |
Bennie wouldn't have been encouraged to take that shot, on Saturday, by Warburton. | | | |
| Stephan on 16:52 - Feb 25 with 1008 views | oldchap |
The manager/head coach/whatever strikes me as an intelligent, articulate individual who knows his stuff. I am sure that there are better coaches out there, there are certainly worse. But one thing I am certain of, changing the coach will not solve the problem.
Personally, I do not see much difference, or progress, on the field. In some cases the football can be lovely to watch and matches what, in my head, is the 'QPR way'. All too often, however, the performances seem to lack intensity, guile, or any sense of freedom by the players. That is not a specific criticism of the current coach, it was similar under MC, and Beale, less so Warburton but certainly under others too. (Ainsworth and Critchley were more generally poor).
Maybe that is a symptom of the modern game. The physicality and stamina required of modern players has certainly gone up several notches, but the data obsession is turning it into some quasi form of NFL. I see ever growing numbers of coaches in the dug out with music stands for their laptops bombarding each other with data in 'real time' . Does this really make the game better as a spectacle? The performance of the players? I see precious little evidence of that. I am not even sure that all the managers or coaches buy into it, but to say so would probably be career ending.
Data helps smart people make better decisions. But even smart people can struggle to use it when making fast time decisions, where absorbing the data, understanding it and communicating it effectively have to be done almost immediately. My gut feeling is decisions on substitutions and tactical changes are delayed as some coaches grapple with this deluge of information rather than sometimes relying on oneself. The risk of ignoring data and screwing up in a world where data is king is obvious. Sticking to the data might still mean screwing up but the kings of data will be more tolerant of failure.
You can change the coach a hundred times but unless the individual is obviously poor, then it is unlikely that a reasonable coach would do much better than the present incumbant | | | |
| Stephan on 16:58 - Feb 25 with 996 views | e9shaw |
| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |
...unless you're just serially shit at choosing managers... which would imply that both the manager and the manager picker are both shit.
Which underlines your point.
Never mind. | | | |
| Stephan on 17:00 - Feb 25 with 990 views | oldchap |
There is a famous Bob Hope film called Paleface, Bob Hope is mistakenly believed to be a gunslinger in a wild west town. He has to face down a notorious gunman, he is given lots of helpful advice on how best to tackle his adversery. Needless to say he ends up utterly confused:
"Hey listen, the man that's after you just killed my brother. Here's a tip: He draws from the left, so lean to the right."
Potter: He draws from the left so lean to the right.
Greg: "Son, I'll let you in on something. Along towards sunset there's a wind from the east. So you better aim to the west."
Potter: He draws from the left so lean to the right. There's a wind from the east so better aim to the west.
Pete: "I know this Joe like a book. He crouches when he shoots so stand on your toes."
Potter: [Outside in the street] He draws from the left so lean to the right. There's a wind from the east so better aim to the west. He crouches when he shoots so stand on your toes. Thanks... Growl.
[Goes out into the street]
Potter: He draws from the left so stand on your toes... There's a wind from the east, better lean to the right... He crouches when he shoots, better aim to the west... He draws from his toes, so lean toward the wind. Ah ha! I got it!
As I look down at the dug out at Loftus Road around the 65th Minute this scene comes to me everytime. | | | |
| Stephan on 17:22 - Feb 25 with 912 views | mart_Goblin |
| Stephan on 15:58 - Feb 25 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
To build lasting success you have to back the manager, give him the tools and time to do the job. With the injury crisis the club are not giving JS the tools. I hope they get it sorted for next season and then give him the time. I like JS.
Stop the stupid injuries and this is a top 6 side with a couple of CMs.
Change the coach, start again, rinse and repeat. You get nowhere. It's what this club has done for 30 years, the cycle has to be broken.
As for Warnock, he left no lasting legacy and Warburton underachieved with the team at his disposal. |
Hmmm. I think a lasting legacy is 1 season of incredible highs out of about 30 seasons of absolute chod.
Can’t speak for anybody else but as a fan that’s the sort of legacy I crave . |  | | |
| Stephan on 17:41 - Feb 25 with 862 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stephan on 14:35 - Feb 25 by wombat |
not gonna happen unless the present set up is changed drastically, which sane manager / coach will wanrt a job when hes not in control of retty much anything , remember stephan wasnt the first choice for the job |
Frankly, I can see why! |  |
| |
| Stephan on 17:42 - Feb 25 with 859 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Stephan on 14:46 - Feb 25 by SW_Ranger |
Exactly! |
It's like critical thinking never happened! | |
| |
| Stephan on 19:27 - Feb 25 with 682 views | ManinBlack |
Watching Austin and Mackie last night they put all the blame on the result on the players and not the manager. We all know we don't have the funds to bring in quality's when we face teams with parachute money we seem to surrender. Charlton are no better financially than us but at least they played with some pride at Southampton to earn a point after the first half tonking they took at the Valley against them earlier in the season. Charlton also won 3-0 at Ipswich.
In contrast we are torn apart by Ipswich at home and Saints could have scored more than five if they put their mind to it. Same happened last season with Burnley when we lost 5-0 at home. We seem to fight in one meeting and give up in the other meeting over two games. I guess Stephan has done well in that we have not been in any relegation danger this season despite three very bad Sheffield Wednesday style defeats. The trouble is we remind me of Coventry who managed to constantly stay up for decades in the top flight but once they dropped they haven't yet been back. It just feels inevitable we will go down at some point in the coming years as we simply don't improve.
There is a lot wrong with the playing side of the club with many unwanted records set of late. In a quarter of a century we have only won 8 away London derbies. Portsmouth won at our place last season and this month won at Charlton and Millwall so three away wins in London. Perhaps they can loan us Mousinho for future away derbies to teach QPR managers how to win away in London. |  | | |
| Stephan on 19:34 - Feb 25 with 666 views | PunteR |
| Stephan on 16:05 - Feb 25 by kensalriser |
People love to forget that Warnock had a division busting budget and we had the likes of Tommy Smith and Rob Hulse as squad players. |
Not sure on this.
Signing Taraabt maybe. But most were decent championship squad players. Hill and Derry from Palace that were going into administration, Helder Helgerson was out on loan but got him back. Matt Connelly, Hogan Ephraim , Kasper Gorks were already at the club. Jamie Mackie from Plymouth!. Most of the squad hadnt played premier league so i wouldnt have thought they would be on massive wages apart from Paddy Kenny maybe. Wayne Routledge was a loan player.
I wouldnt say Warnock had a division busting budget. I would say he was pretty smart with the signings, rather then just throwing money about like we did the season after. . Compare that budget to Redknapps. |  |
| Occasional providers of half decent House music. |
| |
| Stephan on 19:46 - Feb 25 with 639 views | PunteR |
On the injury and fitness situation, isn't this also down to our budget? The standard of players we're getting in? I'm not trying to give our physios and fitness coaches a free pass or anything but it must have some bearing on it.
When i watched us v West Ham , one thing stood out was their fitness levels were miles ahead of us. We had to work double hard to match them (which we did) but it did catch up with us. Yes, they're premier league, with premier league players. But they probably are just naturally fitter.
Stephan hasn't got everything right, but he's a decent coach that's hampered by the same things Cifuentes was. I'm not calling out for a change of manager yet. I just don't think he's the problem at the club. | |
| Occasional providers of half decent House music. |
| |
| Stephan on 19:48 - Feb 25 with 629 views | qprff |
Julian Stephan, the man brought in to try and improve the club, known for his “success and willingness to improve young players” a massive plus when he was going through the candidates list but where has that been shown?
Unfortunately, the style of football is just poor to watch, and it’s no suprise that some of these injuries are occurring.
This manager is very defensive, away games we have seen him literally settle for a point when all three were there for the taking, Oxford and Charlton spring to mind. The style of play is not good to watch , cifuentes style was a much more enjoyable style to watch and we actually created chances regularly, unfortunately, this Frenchman is just about the defensive side and duels, just look at the XG on average it’s just dull to watch for a championship side.
This was a big season for the main two young players, Kolli and Morgan, who coming into the side last year, changed everything with their energy and quality for the large part of the season. However this season, have been limited to ridiculously low minutes, very few starts and this manager is simply not a man manager, you can see the confidence is low on all the players that come into the side, especially the young players. His unwillingness to change and rotate Madsen has cost Madsen an injury for the rest of the season and now Morgan will get his chance to come in and have a run of games, something he’s not been given all season.
Realistically, we are far away from the play offs in terms of quality, and simply do not play good enough football to hurt teams and dominate games. Hopefully we will see a good end to the season and maybe the manager will be a bit more adventurous with his game plan when these “nothing” games come along soon.
😌 | | | |
| Stephan on 20:23 - Feb 25 with 573 views | kensalriser |
| Stephan on 19:34 - Feb 25 by PunteR |
Not sure on this.
Signing Taraabt maybe. But most were decent championship squad players. Hill and Derry from Palace that were going into administration, Helder Helgerson was out on loan but got him back. Matt Connelly, Hogan Ephraim , Kasper Gorks were already at the club. Jamie Mackie from Plymouth!. Most of the squad hadnt played premier league so i wouldnt have thought they would be on massive wages apart from Paddy Kenny maybe. Wayne Routledge was a loan player.
I wouldnt say Warnock had a division busting budget. I would say he was pretty smart with the signings, rather then just throwing money about like we did the season after. . Compare that budget to Redknapps. |
It's not an opinion.
https://www.thescratchingshed. | |
| |
| Stephan on 20:25 - Feb 25 with 569 views | Damo1962 |
| Stephan on 00:18 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
If you keep changing the manager and things stay the same then the manager isn't the reason for that. |
Or maybe we just keep appointing the wrong manager. Get what you are saying though - nothing we do seems to work sadly. | | | |
| Stephan on 20:28 - Feb 25 with 562 views | Damo1962 |
| Stephan on 07:00 - Feb 25 by Lblock |
“We have had an ok season for us.“
And there you have it.
We Accept 16th For Little Old QPR Fan Club
#Standards |
I don't think those running QPR had higher hopes than a lot of supporters do🤔 But then they haven't been involved with this loony club as long as many of us have😉 [Post edited 25 Feb 20:58]
| | | |
| Stephan on 20:54 - Feb 25 with 514 views | Damo1962 |
| Stephan on 16:52 - Feb 25 by oldchap |
The manager/head coach/whatever strikes me as an intelligent, articulate individual who knows his stuff. I am sure that there are better coaches out there, there are certainly worse. But one thing I am certain of, changing the coach will not solve the problem.
Personally, I do not see much difference, or progress, on the field. In some cases the football can be lovely to watch and matches what, in my head, is the 'QPR way'. All too often, however, the performances seem to lack intensity, guile, or any sense of freedom by the players. That is not a specific criticism of the current coach, it was similar under MC, and Beale, less so Warburton but certainly under others too. (Ainsworth and Critchley were more generally poor).
Maybe that is a symptom of the modern game. The physicality and stamina required of modern players has certainly gone up several notches, but the data obsession is turning it into some quasi form of NFL. I see ever growing numbers of coaches in the dug out with music stands for their laptops bombarding each other with data in 'real time' . Does this really make the game better as a spectacle? The performance of the players? I see precious little evidence of that. I am not even sure that all the managers or coaches buy into it, but to say so would probably be career ending.
Data helps smart people make better decisions. But even smart people can struggle to use it when making fast time decisions, where absorbing the data, understanding it and communicating it effectively have to be done almost immediately. My gut feeling is decisions on substitutions and tactical changes are delayed as some coaches grapple with this deluge of information rather than sometimes relying on oneself. The risk of ignoring data and screwing up in a world where data is king is obvious. Sticking to the data might still mean screwing up but the kings of data will be more tolerant of failure.
You can change the coach a hundred times but unless the individual is obviously poor, then it is unlikely that a reasonable coach would do much better than the present incumbant |
I personally think, the strength and athleticism of modern football...is ruining it as a spectacle a lot of the time. Pitches are too pristine as well. Of course, neither of those reasons apply to us 😉 | | | |
| Stephan on 23:11 - Feb 25 with 391 views | PunteR |
Ok, yes, 2nd highest on wages. Warnock still bought smart though. | |
| Occasional providers of half decent House music. |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
