| Trump 09:43 - Oct 27 with 115574 views | Hooparoo |
An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first. |  |
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| Trump on 08:49 - Nov 5 with 2172 views | BAWHoops |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
Clive, did you watch any of CNN's election coverage? Was superb and completely steered away from this.
Was 75% data and fact driven. No stupid Vox Pop's, or mouthpieces. When Trump went on his rant about fraud they called it out immediately.
Was incredibly refreshing and the complete antidote to how news has been made the last few years.
As for the guys on the touch screen, wow. They knew the minutia of every county in America, flagged what to look for etc.
It really was stunning |  |
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| Trump on 09:07 - Nov 5 with 2114 views | Phildo |
| Trump on 08:49 - Nov 5 by BAWHoops |
Clive, did you watch any of CNN's election coverage? Was superb and completely steered away from this.
Was 75% data and fact driven. No stupid Vox Pop's, or mouthpieces. When Trump went on his rant about fraud they called it out immediately.
Was incredibly refreshing and the complete antidote to how news has been made the last few years.
As for the guys on the touch screen, wow. They knew the minutia of every county in America, flagged what to look for etc.
It really was stunning |
I watched a bit of ABC then caught CNN and thought it was excellent. The BBC TV coverage was embarrassingly bad. I remember my father in law who had been a lifelong diplomat telling me 20 years ago that the UK needed the BBC more than it needed the particular government of the day and I always tried to defend it from attacks from both sides. Now I am not so sure as it seems to have completely lost its way. |  | | |
| Trump on 09:34 - Nov 5 with 2060 views | derbyhoop |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
Amen to that.
Harwood/Grimes vs Owen Jones are 2 sides of the same coin.
The best political commentator I've read recently is Tony Connelly from RTE. I respect Katya Adler, as well. She presents the view from Brussels and gets pilloried for spouting EU propaganda, when it is just news from a non-UK partisan point of view. |  |
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| Trump on 09:54 - Nov 5 with 2004 views | daveB |
| Trump on 17:42 - Nov 4 by Juzzie |
You'd expect the BBC to be above all that but they're just the same.....sensationalism is what it's all about the days.
In the early days of the first lockdown and panic buying was just starting to happen, you'd think the media outlets such as the BBC would try and calm it down by saying something along the lines of "We're hearing reports of people stockpiling. Please don't. The supply chain is good, the shops are open please carry on as normal" etc etc.
but they didn't , they went along with the hysteria and it was only a couple of days later did they start taking the sensible narrative. Too late by then. Well fkin done. |
All the news shows i saw at the time on BBC, ITV and Channel 4 were all saying that you shouldn't panic buy and had interviews with supermarkets saying they have loads of supply so calm down. They did show the maniacs all panic buying and that is all people remember |  | | |
| Trump on 09:57 - Nov 5 with 1998 views | GaryT |
| Trump on 08:13 - Nov 5 by nix |
I think I read somewhere they've been told they weren't allowed to do this. Trump wanted to make it as difficult as possible to count the postal votes as they're believed to be disproportionately Democratic votes. |
I read that 46 states could process their mail in ballots before election day but the rest were stopped from doing so. One of the joys of each state being a law unto themselves and at the mercy of corrupting powers. |  | | |
| Trump on 10:03 - Nov 5 with 1974 views | nix |
| Trump on 09:57 - Nov 5 by GaryT |
I read that 46 states could process their mail in ballots before election day but the rest were stopped from doing so. One of the joys of each state being a law unto themselves and at the mercy of corrupting powers. |
Thanks for clarifying Gary. Yes it's shocking how political those who are supposed to uphold and rule on the law, as opposed to make the laws, in the US are. |  | | |
| Trump on 10:10 - Nov 5 with 1949 views | GloryHunter |
| Trump on 10:03 - Nov 5 by nix |
Thanks for clarifying Gary. Yes it's shocking how political those who are supposed to uphold and rule on the law, as opposed to make the laws, in the US are. |
That's what you get when judges are elected by the population, or appointed by the Government. The Tories want to bring in the same process in the UK. |  | | |
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| Trump on 10:12 - Nov 5 with 1943 views | robith |
| Trump on 17:42 - Nov 4 by Juzzie |
You'd expect the BBC to be above all that but they're just the same.....sensationalism is what it's all about the days.
In the early days of the first lockdown and panic buying was just starting to happen, you'd think the media outlets such as the BBC would try and calm it down by saying something along the lines of "We're hearing reports of people stockpiling. Please don't. The supply chain is good, the shops are open please carry on as normal" etc etc.
but they didn't , they went along with the hysteria and it was only a couple of days later did they start taking the sensible narrative. Too late by then. Well fkin done. |
the BBC believe balance is "getting two extreme to shout at each other" and impartiality is "being completely silent".
It's always had an establishment bias - it was biased towards Blair, then biased towards Cameron which is to be expected. But recently it's gone completely off the deep end |  | | |
| Trump on 10:18 - Nov 5 with 1924 views | hook_hoops |
| Trump on 08:49 - Nov 5 by BAWHoops |
Clive, did you watch any of CNN's election coverage? Was superb and completely steered away from this.
Was 75% data and fact driven. No stupid Vox Pop's, or mouthpieces. When Trump went on his rant about fraud they called it out immediately.
Was incredibly refreshing and the complete antidote to how news has been made the last few years.
As for the guys on the touch screen, wow. They knew the minutia of every county in America, flagged what to look for etc.
It really was stunning |
Yes, I watched the CNN coverage yesterday and thought it was excellent. Objective, fact based journalism, that's why Trump hates CNN. |  | | |
| Trump on 10:26 - Nov 5 with 1897 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Trump on 09:34 - Nov 5 by derbyhoop |
Amen to that.
Harwood/Grimes vs Owen Jones are 2 sides of the same coin.
The best political commentator I've read recently is Tony Connelly from RTE. I respect Katya Adler, as well. She presents the view from Brussels and gets pilloried for spouting EU propaganda, when it is just news from a non-UK partisan point of view. |
Lots of the Left dislike Owen Jones by the way and consider him a fair weather comrade. He called for Corbyn to resign several times in 2016 and has been a huge critic post election.
You’ll struggle to find a ‘left’ equivalent of Grimes or Harwood.
I think his partisanship is a bit overstated.
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| Trump on 10:41 - Nov 5 with 1848 views | GloryHunter |
"Over 2m incarcerated prisoners, including in pre-trial detention, are also denied the vote, as they are here and in other European countries. "
I have always thought it's wrong that prisoners cannot vote (same as homeless people). These are groups whose lives have been strongly negatively affected by the political system they grew up in. | | | |
| Trump on 11:20 - Nov 5 with 1791 views | Toast_R |
| Trump on 10:26 - Nov 5 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Lots of the Left dislike Owen Jones by the way and consider him a fair weather comrade. He called for Corbyn to resign several times in 2016 and has been a huge critic post election.
You’ll struggle to find a ‘left’ equivalent of Grimes or Harwood.
I think his partisanship is a bit overstated.
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He was right about that I suppose |  | | |
| Trump on 11:30 - Nov 5 with 1761 views | francisbowles |
The BBC has Trump still on 243, Politico has him on 264. I know that the BBC is only counting confirmed results but what states have been added to the Politico figure and how many ECVs do they carry each? | | | |
| Trump on 11:35 - Nov 5 with 1743 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Trump on 11:30 - Nov 5 by francisbowles |
The BBC has Trump still on 243, Politico has him on 264. I know that the BBC is only counting confirmed results but what states have been added to the Politico figure and how many ECVs do they carry each? |
Most likely:
Wisconsin 10
Arizona 11 |  |
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| Trump on 11:38 - Nov 5 with 1730 views | robith |
| Trump on 11:30 - Nov 5 by francisbowles |
The BBC has Trump still on 243, Politico has him on 264. I know that the BBC is only counting confirmed results but what states have been added to the Politico figure and how many ECVs do they carry each? |
everyone is only using confirmed but some are using abc and some are using AP which is the gap. BBC currently don't have Wis and AZ.
And I presume you mean Biden, giving man a heart attack | | | |
| Trump on 11:45 - Nov 5 with 1709 views | EastR |
| Trump on 11:35 - Nov 5 by BrianMcCarthy |
Most likely:
Wisconsin 10
Arizona 11 |
Correct Brian.
Some of the new agencies have called those states while others are waiting for more results from them.
Arizona has narrowed in Trump's favour but Biden still should squeak it. | |
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| Trump on 11:55 - Nov 5 with 1682 views | hantssi |
| Trump on 10:26 - Nov 5 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Lots of the Left dislike Owen Jones by the way and consider him a fair weather comrade. He called for Corbyn to resign several times in 2016 and has been a huge critic post election.
You’ll struggle to find a ‘left’ equivalent of Grimes or Harwood.
I think his partisanship is a bit overstated.
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Is he old enough to be a journalist?
Looks like he should be in 6th Form College!
Or am I just getting old? | | | |
| Trump on 11:56 - Nov 5 with 1668 views | robith |
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| Trump on 11:57 - Nov 5 with 1666 views | EastR |
| Trump on 17:59 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
I could do a fcking essay on this but three of the things that irritate me about modern journalism the most, feed into people losing trust in the journalists, and also add fuel to the "evil MSM" fire, are these...
1 - Sourcing and checking. You don't publish a single sourced story, you don't report something an unnamed anonymous source has whispered to you unless you check it, and you get both sides of the story. You check basically. You make sure it's true. This seems to have been lost in the quest to be first to Tweet it out. Stuff now gets Tweeted out immediately as fact, without checking and double and triple sourcing. So Dom wants something out, he says to Laura Kuennesberg "x y z", she Tweets "government sources say this is x y z" and then that's it. It does my fcking nut. If I took that to my editors on local papers ten years ago they'd have said "of course, he would say that wouldn't he, get it checked please". Now it just gets whacked out, and who cares if it's true?
2 - The cult of opinion over fact. News bulletins are now just a journalist in the studio talking to another journlist standing in front of something. And they're packed with vox pops. The BBC, as you say, needs to be above this, but how many fcking Brexit reports did you see where they're sticking the microphone under somebody in a bloody snooker club in Redcar, or a coffee shop in Muswell Hill. I Do. Not. Care. what these people think about this, I want to know what this is, I want to know facts. You're the news, not TalkSport. That TalkSport model of getting two people of opposing points of view to yell at each other, even when one of the points of view is obviously wrong, now prevails over what is actually the fact of the matter here.
3 - Activists presented as 'journalists'. Tom Harwood is not a journalist. Darren Grimes is not a journalist. Owen Jones is not a journalist. But they're presented as such, and given enormous platforms to put forward horrendously biased, often incorrect, points of views, dressed up as journalism. It's not. |
Fact checking has sadly become a casualty of 24 hour news and the clamour for instant social media hits.
Spouting off on social media and posting on the internet doesn't make anyone either 'a commentator' or a journalist, although that benchmark seems to have reached a new low. | |
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| Trump on 12:01 - Nov 5 with 1648 views | Juzzie |
| Trump on 09:54 - Nov 5 by daveB |
All the news shows i saw at the time on BBC, ITV and Channel 4 were all saying that you shouldn't panic buy and had interviews with supermarkets saying they have loads of supply so calm down. They did show the maniacs all panic buying and that is all people remember |
I just remember watching BBC Breakfast one day and it was all about the panic. It was a few days later that they started to ask people to be sensible etc. They should have done that in the first place. |  | | |
| Trump on 12:05 - Nov 5 with 1629 views | TheChef |
| Trump on 12:01 - Nov 5 by Juzzie |
I just remember watching BBC Breakfast one day and it was all about the panic. It was a few days later that they started to ask people to be sensible etc. They should have done that in the first place. |
Don't panic till I say panic, etc. |  |
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| Trump on 12:21 - Nov 5 with 1588 views | Juzzie |
| Trump on 12:05 - Nov 5 by TheChef |
Don't panic till I say panic, etc. |
For those old enough to remember....
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