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Why did we give him a 4 year contract? Did we really think a player who had been very average at lower league clubs could step up and replace Manning? Or do you think MW didn't judge the Wallace situation very well?
Hard to tell what he's like on TV as I can't see his off the ball movement, those who have seen him.... Is there any hope? Were the panel being harsh on him?
There’s something there for sure. Not brilliant at anything but not terrible at anything. Certainly not our biggest concern.
I doubt it was ever the plan to give him this many games but overall he’s been fine. Lots to work on of course and he might prove long term not to be up to it but it’s another player with barely an appearance at this level expected to put in 30+ in a short period of time.
There’s something there for sure. Not brilliant at anything but not terrible at anything. Certainly not our biggest concern.
I doubt it was ever the plan to give him this many games but overall he’s been fine. Lots to work on of course and he might prove long term not to be up to it but it’s another player with barely an appearance at this level expected to put in 30+ in a short period of time.
Harsh - I first saw him against Blackpool away under McLaren and he was way out of his depth even against a League One side.
The two live games I saw this season however he has come on a long way and he was OK.
Compared to Calamity Kane on the other side he is far better. IMHO he needs to go on a "Sir Les" high protein diet and get in the gym and do weights as he looks a bit lightweight. However as with Kane and Kakay we are asking these players to be/have 1. attacking midfield wingers 2. deliver a good cross 3. be a great defender 4. have a V8 engine to get up and down. They simply don't have all 4 - none of them!
Niko has 3 and 4! Kakay has 3 and 4 and Kane has 2 only.
Hard not to agree that their central points - we need a midfielder and a left back in January - are correct though. Gallen repeatedly making the point we paid 2m for Bonne and have not started him yet. He know what went on given his brother is at Charlton.
Hard not to agree that their central points - we need a midfielder and a left back in January - are correct though. Gallen repeatedly making the point we paid 2m for Bonne and have not started him yet. He know what went on given his brother is at Charlton.
Harsh - I first saw him against Blackpool away under McLaren and he was way out of his depth even against a League One side.
The two live games I saw this season however he has come on a long way and he was OK.
Compared to Calamity Kane on the other side he is far better. IMHO he needs to go on a "Sir Les" high protein diet and get in the gym and do weights as he looks a bit lightweight. However as with Kane and Kakay we are asking these players to be/have 1. attacking midfield wingers 2. deliver a good cross 3. be a great defender 4. have a V8 engine to get up and down. They simply don't have all 4 - none of them!
Niko has 3 and 4! Kakay has 3 and 4 and Kane has 2 only.
Not sure Wallace has any of them!
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I reckon Wallace has the No 2, probably the best of the 4 of them.
Interms of ability, Hamalainen and Kakay are average Championship players. If we were looking to build a squad capable of pushing for promotion they'd be good cover but as we're seemingly intent on forever being midtable they're decent enough for the time being. They're on long contracts but I'd imagine low wages so we can't really lose in this situation.
Did he not play for Finland recently, when they beat France 2-0?
Yes, and that's part of the point of the four year deal. He's still developing and has come one a lot since we first saw him in the first team. Current international and while he still makes the odd error, I think he's more than capable of progressing like Furlong did and earning us some decent money.
Imagine if we only had him on a one year deal and his development progressed and we were left with another Manning situation? Criticism of the 4 year deal is way off imo.
Interms of ability, Hamalainen and Kakay are average Championship players. If we were looking to build a squad capable of pushing for promotion they'd be good cover but as we're seemingly intent on forever being midtable they're decent enough for the time being. They're on long contracts but I'd imagine low wages so we can't really lose in this situation.
If they’re good cover where on earth are we getting the money from to buy better?
Yes, and that's part of the point of the four year deal. He's still developing and has come one a lot since we first saw him in the first team. Current international and while he still makes the odd error, I think he's more than capable of progressing like Furlong did and earning us some decent money.
Imagine if we only had him on a one year deal and his development progressed and we were left with another Manning situation? Criticism of the 4 year deal is way off imo.
I agree with Gallen and the other guy on panel, it’s not like Barca will be coming in for him and if we get the same 250k in we got for Manning we’d have done well.
If we’re handing out 4 year deals then give them to Chair, Dickie and BOS before Niko and Kakay. Personally suspect there’s more to this than we will ever get to hear about.
I agree with Gallen and the other guy on panel, it’s not like Barca will be coming in for him and if we get the same 250k in we got for Manning we’d have done well.
If we’re handing out 4 year deals then give them to Chair, Dickie and BOS before Niko and Kakay. Personally suspect there’s more to this than we will ever get to hear about.
Can't believe no one's thought of giving BOS a new deal, that's a great idea.
“There will always be good and bad said about you — people who slag me or love me. You can be the best player and there is someone who will always have something negative to say. But what would they do in my position? You’ve got to be put in my position to answer that. I grew up on a council estate in Ipswich. I played for a good club in Colchester but dropped down because I didn’t like football — I rebuilt my career and three years later I’ve been sold for £2million and I’m in the Championship”
I agree with Gallen and the other guy on panel, it’s not like Barca will be coming in for him and if we get the same 250k in we got for Manning we’d have done well.
If we’re handing out 4 year deals then give them to Chair, Dickie and BOS before Niko and Kakay. Personally suspect there’s more to this than we will ever get to hear about.
Steve, it’s been said before and on this thread, if, and it’s a big if, they turn out to be that good (BOS only came alive for half a season last year) people would be moaning about not offering them longer deals! I also think you’ll find that Dickie is on a 3+1 year deal as is Chair. The club just can’t seem to win.
I agree with Gallen and the other guy on panel, it’s not like Barca will be coming in for him and if we get the same 250k in we got for Manning we’d have done well.
If we’re handing out 4 year deals then give them to Chair, Dickie and BOS before Niko and Kakay. Personally suspect there’s more to this than we will ever get to hear about.
Doubt if you add up Kakay and Niko's 4 years they'll cover 18 months of what BOS wants tbh.
Haven't listened (indeed didn't even know that they have one) but ever since we sacked his brother struggle to listen to Gallen on anything to do with the club
I’ve been saying this for a while, I think you might get away with starting one of Niko and Kakay but not both of them. They’re too inexperienced and the jury is out on whether they’re good enough. It’s too risky to play them both.
Absolutely this. Kakay and Niko are on peanuts and tying them to 4-yr deals gives us cheap and basic cover for reliable Championship-level players.
Spot on Brian - amazed that some have written them off already, while with almost the same breath bemoaning the fact that Bettache doesn't get any game time!
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