| Afghanistan ? 17:32 - Aug 11 with 13000 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Pull your troops out after 20 years of attempted westernisation and leave the Taliban to deal with those who were westernised.
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| Afghanistan ? on 16:22 - Aug 16 with 1458 views | controversial_jack |
| Afghanistan ? on 13:21 - Aug 16 by 73__73 |
The Americans don’t have the capability or resources 😂 don’t be so stupid.
The political will has never been there.
Don’t you think the USA with its satellites, drones and other sophisticated equipment can’t find them 😂 |
No, they can't find them, because many live in villages with the general population. Drones would be useless, because there's too many of them and they all move around and don't stay in the same place. |  | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 17:14 - Aug 16 with 1406 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Afghanistan ? on 16:22 - Aug 16 by controversial_jack |
No, they can't find them, because many live in villages with the general population. Drones would be useless, because there's too many of them and they all move around and don't stay in the same place. |
There was never an option of wiping out of the Taliban but "keeping them in check" would not have been difficult, all be it with a flare up here or there. At the time of pull out there were only 2500 US soldiers in Afghanistan. Military loses were not great in recent times.
Clearly the government with such a useless Army needed to millitarize the public including women like they do is Switzerland and USA, This would be setting up a network of Village guards and observers. Even now i would expect the US military would have set up a clandestine spying network to ensure the Taliban would not revert to hosting 'serious undesirables'. |  |
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| Afghanistan ? on 17:34 - Aug 16 with 1399 views | Catullus |
| Afghanistan ? on 17:14 - Aug 16 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There was never an option of wiping out of the Taliban but "keeping them in check" would not have been difficult, all be it with a flare up here or there. At the time of pull out there were only 2500 US soldiers in Afghanistan. Military loses were not great in recent times.
Clearly the government with such a useless Army needed to millitarize the public including women like they do is Switzerland and USA, This would be setting up a network of Village guards and observers. Even now i would expect the US military would have set up a clandestine spying network to ensure the Taliban would not revert to hosting 'serious undesirables'. |
There have been no major losses recently because the USA signed a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban in February 2020. If the Taliban attacked the USA wouldn't have withdrawn.
Biden has screwed this up big time, he accelerated the withdrawal and the Taliban advanced quickly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0
Ask the Russians if keeping the Afghan hill fighters in check was easy? No invading force has ever found it easy there. | |
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| Afghanistan ? on 18:12 - Aug 16 with 1378 views | majorraglan |
| Afghanistan ? on 17:34 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
There have been no major losses recently because the USA signed a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban in February 2020. If the Taliban attacked the USA wouldn't have withdrawn.
Biden has screwed this up big time, he accelerated the withdrawal and the Taliban advanced quickly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0
Ask the Russians if keeping the Afghan hill fighters in check was easy? No invading force has ever found it easy there. |
This situation is a mess and tens of thousands are likely to die over the coming months and years. The Taliban now have control, once the foreign press have left they will have free reign and their deeds will be kept quiet.
The way I see it is that it’s a failure on several levels over an extended period. The Afghan army, equipped and trained by the West have completely capitulated and I suspect this has taken the US and U.K. completely by surprise; I suspect both governments via reports from their security analysts/ intelligence people believed they Afghan Army would dig in, resist and fight the Taliban, but that’s not happened. It seems like someone has grossly misjudged the capability of the Army and underestimated the capability and threat posed by the Taliban.
The seeds of what we are seeing now go back further than Biden. US popular opinion is very much against being in Afghanistan and the public (voters ) want out and it’s been that way for a long time. As of last week a US poll had over 70% of voters supporting a withdrawal - whether it will stay that way remains to be seen. Donald Trump signed a deal with the Taliban to leave last year, once that deal was signed the writing was on the wall - there was always going to be a withdrawal the question was just when? If Biden had delayed things to such an extent that it incurred the wrath of the Taliban, then there’s was likely to be a resumption of hostilities against the US other nations which would likely mean military casualties and service personnel being returned home in body bags. The latter would incur the wrath of the US public - potentially more than what we are likely to see now.
Afghanistan is a lawless place where some have a complete disregard for life. There are numerous agendas being played out by different groups, causes and countries and it’s the ordinary people of Afghanistan who will suffer the most. | | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 18:46 - Aug 16 with 1365 views | controversial_jack |
| Afghanistan ? on 17:34 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
There have been no major losses recently because the USA signed a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban in February 2020. If the Taliban attacked the USA wouldn't have withdrawn.
Biden has screwed this up big time, he accelerated the withdrawal and the Taliban advanced quickly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0
Ask the Russians if keeping the Afghan hill fighters in check was easy? No invading force has ever found it easy there. |
The deal was struck by Donald, not Joe | | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:13 - Aug 16 with 1344 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Afghanistan ? on 18:46 - Aug 16 by controversial_jack |
The deal was struck by Donald, not Joe |
But Donald would have controlled it, unlike clueless Joe who doesn't even know the time of day.
He has made a great speech about the siuation and so has Harris, oops no they haven't said a word have they?
He is hiding in Camp David. | | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:29 - Aug 16 with 1331 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Afghanistan ? on 18:46 - Aug 16 by controversial_jack |
The deal was struck by Donald, not Joe |
Joe opted to run with it and miscalculated the withdrawal. Bush, Obama, Trump and now Biden have made this mess. | |
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| Afghanistan ? on 19:53 - Aug 16 with 1322 views | Catullus |
| Afghanistan ? on 18:46 - Aug 16 by controversial_jack |
The deal was struck by Donald, not Joe |
Yes it was and Biden screwed it up completely by accelelerating the withdrawal. Trump or Biden, it doesn't matter, they were both for leaving and look whats happened. | |
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| Afghanistan ? on 20:32 - Aug 16 with 1290 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:53 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
Yes it was and Biden screwed it up completely by accelelerating the withdrawal. Trump or Biden, it doesn't matter, they were both for leaving and look whats happened. |
America and Britain could have been there another 20 years - same result. Biden has, by withdrawing this quickly basically condemned thousands of good people who bought into the democratic idea to die horrible deaths. |  |
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| Afghanistan ? on 21:13 - Aug 16 with 1261 views | controversial_jack |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:53 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
Yes it was and Biden screwed it up completely by accelelerating the withdrawal. Trump or Biden, it doesn't matter, they were both for leaving and look whats happened. |
They didn't learn from history. Don't interfere in Afghanistan. Quite simple really | | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 21:44 - Aug 16 with 1231 views | Kilkennyjack |
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| Afghanistan ? on 21:59 - Aug 16 with 1220 views | majorraglan |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:13 - Aug 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
But Donald would have controlled it, unlike clueless Joe who doesn't even know the time of day.
He has made a great speech about the siuation and so has Harris, oops no they haven't said a word have they?
He is hiding in Camp David. |
Donald would have controlled it.... not sure about that, to be honest I don’t think anyone could control it when the wheels have been set in motion. Not sure what/ if any timeline was agreed behind closed doors for the withdrawal, (one would have assumed a framework was agreed) but if it wasn’t complied with I suspected there’d have been an onslaught against US/Western interests.
I suspect the US /UK have overestimated the capability and willingness of the Afghan army to fight and underestimated the Taliban. The whole thing is a cluster......
A humanitarian disaster looks likely.
Edit- seen the timeline nw. [Post edited 17 Aug 2021 0:28]
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| Afghanistan ? on 23:34 - Aug 16 with 1169 views | controversial_jack |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:13 - Aug 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
But Donald would have controlled it, unlike clueless Joe who doesn't even know the time of day.
He has made a great speech about the siuation and so has Harris, oops no they haven't said a word have they?
He is hiding in Camp David. |
Donald, can't even control his own urges. | | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 00:24 - Aug 17 with 1136 views | majorraglan |
| Afghanistan ? on 19:53 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
Yes it was and Biden screwed it up completely by accelelerating the withdrawal. Trump or Biden, it doesn't matter, they were both for leaving and look whats happened. |
The terms of the original agreement were that all US forces would be out by 1.5.21.
During 2020 the total number of US troops was reduced to 2,500. In July this year the Germans and Italians pulled out. Biden had looked at a November withdrawal, but given everything that was happening he decided on August. The number of US troops has now increased to facilitate the withdrawal, but they won’t be there long. There are troubling times ahead for the people of Afghanistan.
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| Afghanistan ? on 13:23 - Aug 17 with 1038 views | controversial_jack |
Whatever the political ramifications and blame game is, it's been a complete disaster. Twenty years, thousands of troop deaths, hundreds of thousands of Afghanis civilians and soldiers, untold material damage , and all for what?
Biden, Trump getting the blame, but they didn't commit the troops, that was Bush And Blair | | | |
| Afghanistan ? on 13:39 - Aug 17 with 1023 views | 73__73 |
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| Afghanistan ? on 13:41 - Aug 17 with 1023 views | 73__73 |
Also it seems to me that either the Afghan army is cowardly or they actually support the Taliban.
They could have made life extremely hard for the Taliban if they had decided to defend the cities.
Any one who knows anything about military tactics (FIBUA) would know the Taliban would have failed if the Afghan army had made a stand especially in the cities and large towns. [Post edited 17 Aug 2021 13:46]
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| Afghanistan ? on 15:44 - Aug 17 with 992 views | KeithHaynes |
Enough said.
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| Afghanistan ? on 16:17 - Aug 17 with 971 views | trampie |
It's not the West's place to tell the Afghans how to live, the West backed puppet regimes at local level was said to be far more corrupt than the Taliban at local level, apparently the people were more likely to have justice and less crime and corruption with the Taliban. |  |
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| Afghanistan ? on 18:20 - Aug 17 with 932 views | britferry |
ITV lunchtime news, a girl who moved here when she was 8, 20 years ago, talking for about 8 mins about her mother in Kabul, this was the main news article ??? Then the news reader signs off with "I hope she gets home" WTF, she is home ??? | |
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| Afghanistan ? on 19:31 - Aug 17 with 908 views | Oldjack |
If the Afgan army can't be bothered to fight for their country,why should we bother ,fuk em ! |  |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| Afghanistan ? on 20:45 - Aug 17 with 865 views | britferry |
How about helping our homeless service personnel who went to Afghanistan as part of the British army first? | |
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| Afghanistan ? on 22:03 - Aug 17 with 831 views | onehunglow |
| Afghanistan ? on 20:45 - Aug 17 by britferry |
How about helping our homeless service personnel who went to Afghanistan as part of the British army first? |
No mileage in that.
Our servicemen are treated like vermin and it shames us | |
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| Afghanistan ? on 22:30 - Aug 17 with 813 views | theloneranger |
Whoever was POTUS, they were going to remove their troops BEFORE the 20th Anniversary of 9/11. |  |
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