| QPR could leave H&F on 19:33 - Feb 6 with 2878 views | barbicanranger |
This all sounds very typical QPR.
Spurs get a huge, vast new stadium. Arsenal get a huge, vast new stadium in densely populated area. West Ham get a huge vacuum bowl for the cost of a two bed. Brentford crow bar a new stadium in to train tracks. Even more relevant Chelsea get planning permission for a monstrosity in a densely populated, high-end area. QPR want to take a piece of wasting council land, improve it, maintain the community facility, build a modest size stadium and use it's current site, which it owns to finance it. Sounds simple yet cause it's us it's impossible. |  | |  |
| QPR could leave H&F on 19:35 - Feb 6 with 2865 views | bosh67 |
I think we should go all out and get the development made in Batman Close.
Purely so it can be called the Dana Dana Dana Dana Dana Dana Dana Dana Batman Stadium. |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 19:43 - Feb 6 with 2825 views | stevec |
| QPR could leave H&F on 19:01 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
'Brainwashed rag reading right winger rails against 'left wing' socialist policies that defend the rights of the working class to proper housing'
Somehow the left wing, which has done more for the working class than the right wing of the Tory party ever has, has become the enemy of a large proportion of the working class in the UK and it's very very odd.
While a super privileged right winger like Rees Mogg, who doesn't care at all about the welfare of the working person at all, is a champion of the white van man.
I have absolutely no idea how the right wing press have managed to pull off this totally non sensical con trick but they really have and it's remarkable.
Brexit is its greatest achievement.
Europe, which has done more for workers rights that any UK government ever, is seen as the enemy of the working man.
Sunderland car workers vote against the very trade block that has directed work to their region.
It goes on and on.
It's insane. Turkey's voting for Christmas left right and centre. [Post edited 6 Feb 2019 19:03]
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Against QPR development;
H & F (labour)
London Mayor (Labour)
Then they cover their tracks by saying they want QPR supporters on the board, what the hell difference are any of us going to make? It’s a wonder they haven’t cited a lack of ethnic diversity in QPR supporters, but I dare say they’re holding that one back in reserve.
On your wider point, perhaps ask those working class who elect a mayor and then find he’s taxing their cars out of existence. Only the rich are welcome in the Congestion zone don’t ya know.
Labour promise to tax the rich but ALWAYS end up clobbering the poor. The public may not prefer the Tories but they’re fast waking up to the con trick that is the Labour Party. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 20:46 - Feb 6 with 2695 views | colinallcars |
| QPR could leave H&F on 19:43 - Feb 6 by stevec |
Against QPR development;
H & F (labour)
London Mayor (Labour)
Then they cover their tracks by saying they want QPR supporters on the board, what the hell difference are any of us going to make? It’s a wonder they haven’t cited a lack of ethnic diversity in QPR supporters, but I dare say they’re holding that one back in reserve.
On your wider point, perhaps ask those working class who elect a mayor and then find he’s taxing their cars out of existence. Only the rich are welcome in the Congestion zone don’t ya know.
Labour promise to tax the rich but ALWAYS end up clobbering the poor. The public may not prefer the Tories but they’re fast waking up to the con trick that is the Labour Party. |
Didn't Denis Healey say he'd squeeze the rich till the pips squeak, and that there would be howls of anguish from the 80,000 that paid 75% tax on the last slice of their income ? |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 20:51 - Feb 6 with 2683 views | kensalriser |
| QPR could leave H&F on 19:43 - Feb 6 by stevec |
Against QPR development;
H & F (labour)
London Mayor (Labour)
Then they cover their tracks by saying they want QPR supporters on the board, what the hell difference are any of us going to make? It’s a wonder they haven’t cited a lack of ethnic diversity in QPR supporters, but I dare say they’re holding that one back in reserve.
On your wider point, perhaps ask those working class who elect a mayor and then find he’s taxing their cars out of existence. Only the rich are welcome in the Congestion zone don’t ya know.
Labour promise to tax the rich but ALWAYS end up clobbering the poor. The public may not prefer the Tories but they’re fast waking up to the con trick that is the Labour Party. |
So you in favour of poisonous air then? |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 21:28 - Feb 6 with 2610 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I was in the car earlier and switched on the podcast and I knew, just knew, when Fernandes was back from the dead that there was trouble on the way, especially when he failed to clearly answer a simple question like "who's in control now?"
And this is the outcome. How in the name of Christ is this going to help us?
Not a bit surprised with him, but extremely disappointed that the podcast gave airwaves to a man who damages our club every ingle time he opens his mouth. |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 21:33 - Feb 6 with 2598 views | PunteR |
| QPR could leave H&F on 20:51 - Feb 6 by kensalriser |
So you in favour of poisonous air then? |
It just means i can drive around the suburbs poisoning the air. I bet over half the people working in London could actually do the same job from the comfort of their own sofa at home.
Completely irrelevant to the topic . [Post edited 6 Feb 2019 21:38]
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| QPR could leave H&F on 21:41 - Feb 6 with 2579 views | daveB |
just knew whenever Fernandes turns up something goes wrong, arguing with the council on twitter is beyond ridiculous |  | | |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 21:44 - Feb 6 with 2569 views | Northernr |
| QPR could leave H&F on 19:43 - Feb 6 by stevec |
Against QPR development;
H & F (labour)
London Mayor (Labour)
Then they cover their tracks by saying they want QPR supporters on the board, what the hell difference are any of us going to make? It’s a wonder they haven’t cited a lack of ethnic diversity in QPR supporters, but I dare say they’re holding that one back in reserve.
On your wider point, perhaps ask those working class who elect a mayor and then find he’s taxing their cars out of existence. Only the rich are welcome in the Congestion zone don’t ya know.
Labour promise to tax the rich but ALWAYS end up clobbering the poor. The public may not prefer the Tories but they’re fast waking up to the con trick that is the Labour Party. |
I’ve got a line across on my SteveC bingo card. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 21:55 - Feb 6 with 2532 views | QPR_Jim |
| QPR could leave H&F on 21:41 - Feb 6 by daveB |
just knew whenever Fernandes turns up something goes wrong, arguing with the council on twitter is beyond ridiculous |
At least he's consistent, you've got to give him that.
It does seem H&F are playing hardball with us, they let a community group produce a report on the LC Stadium site giving us no recognition for our community work or what we could offer but as soon as we publish one we've commissioned to champion what we contribute to the community the council release statements about it condemning us.
Having said that arguing about it on twitter doesn't help, we should be showing the council the way to deal with it and trying to come up with a solution that they'd be hard pushed to argue would not be beneficial to the community. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 22:00 - Feb 6 with 2515 views | PunteR |
Wheres Amit Bhatia? | |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 22:06 - Feb 6 with 2488 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| QPR could leave H&F on 22:00 - Feb 6 by PunteR |
Wheres Amit Bhatia? |
That's what I'm wondering...
Was Fernandes going on this podcast a group decision? If so, what does he bring that Bhatia wouldn't? | |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 23:25 - Feb 6 with 2358 views | wombat |
| QPR could leave H&F on 22:06 - Feb 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's what I'm wondering...
Was Fernandes going on this podcast a group decision? If so, what does he bring that Bhatia wouldn't? |
He stated later I think that they arent property developers also , must have slipped his mind the development going on already near old oak for flats and social housing . Must be old age |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 23:32 - Feb 6 with 2347 views | PunteR |
I really don't feel comfortable with Loftus Road in the Malaysians hands. | |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 03:03 - Feb 7 with 2209 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| QPR could leave H&F on 17:17 - Feb 6 by Nov77 |
just Listened to the podcast, Whole thing looks like a property deal designed solely to recoup Tony’s losses.
If he moves us out of the borough there’ll be uproar. |
Wouldn't bother me as long as we remain in West London. The London Borough of Ealing have stuck by QPR through the Warren Farm debacle. H&F couldn't care less about QPR, particularly as there are 2 other teams in the borough. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 03:05 - Feb 7 with 2208 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| QPR could leave H&F on 17:36 - Feb 6 by WestbourneR |
From what I hear the problem is that we're not offering much in the way of money / social housing in return for the land.
It's a Labour council and they want lots of affordable social housing in return for the LC stadium.
At the moment our proposal is
- Loftus becomes luxury flats that we sell and make ££££ from.
- LC becomes a stadium, events venue and luxury flats.
So I can see why Rangers want to try and re-coup some money from what will be a very expensive move but I can also see why the council want to make sure it serves the community more.
QPR have my support but they have to make a deal that has more legs that OOC. |
Who in their right mind would want to pay through the nose for 'luxury' flats by White City Estate? Besides any new development has to set aside 40% for social housing. | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 04:36 - Feb 7 with 2195 views | Dixie_CT |
| QPR could leave H&F on 21:28 - Feb 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
I was in the car earlier and switched on the podcast and I knew, just knew, when Fernandes was back from the dead that there was trouble on the way, especially when he failed to clearly answer a simple question like "who's in control now?"
And this is the outcome. How in the name of Christ is this going to help us?
Not a bit surprised with him, but extremely disappointed that the podcast gave airwaves to a man who damages our club every ingle time he opens his mouth. |
Argh! How do you undo a down vote? Sorry Brian!
As for the topic, this now feels less about the facts & content and more about pride & ego. Stakes are being upped from both sides in terms of aggressive comments. In my experience playing ‘who blinks first’ is rarely conducive to rational, objective and progressive dialogue.
Strap yourselves in, this could run longer than nine complete re-runs of the BBC epic, Eldorado. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 06:59 - Feb 7 with 2135 views | timcocking |
The situation appears to be getting even worse. This is sh!tty, it's all a big concern and the last thing we need right now. Christ, will we ever get a break? Seems like we've been being persecuted in one way or another as long as i can remember... |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 07:30 - Feb 7 with 2106 views | Dorse |
Plenty of space in Dorset. The farmer next to us is retiring and selling the land. I have let Tony know.
No need to thank me. |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 07:51 - Feb 7 with 2080 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
“We think this is a crunch point for QPR. We call on the owners to put the club and its fans first and consider an FC Barcelona-style fan ownership. We love QPR but don’t see it as our business to help QPR’s owners engage in property speculation”
This has given me the horn.
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| QPR could leave H&F on 08:06 - Feb 7 with 2049 views | Konk |
I think the council genuinely want to retain 3 clubs in the borough, hence they've generally supported Fulham and Chelsea with redevelopment plans. When I've been to meetings over the years, H&F have always made a big point of saying they will do what they can to keep all 3 clubs in H&F.
Without getting too political, most (all?) Local authorities are in an impossible situation at the moment re services and funding, so I wouldn't blame any council for trying to extract the maximum value it can for whatever assets it decides it can sell-off. They can assist with identifying land, supporting planning consent etc, but I wouldn't expect them to bend over backwards to assist Fernandes and co when it comes to the finances. Their first responsibility is to the citizens of H&F not a bunch of wealthy individuals, who without being too cynical, are probably also looking to make a few bob out of any move.
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| QPR could leave H&F on 08:17 - Feb 7 with 2030 views | Dixie_CT |
| QPR could leave H&F on 08:06 - Feb 7 by Konk |
I think the council genuinely want to retain 3 clubs in the borough, hence they've generally supported Fulham and Chelsea with redevelopment plans. When I've been to meetings over the years, H&F have always made a big point of saying they will do what they can to keep all 3 clubs in H&F.
Without getting too political, most (all?) Local authorities are in an impossible situation at the moment re services and funding, so I wouldn't blame any council for trying to extract the maximum value it can for whatever assets it decides it can sell-off. They can assist with identifying land, supporting planning consent etc, but I wouldn't expect them to bend over backwards to assist Fernandes and co when it comes to the finances. Their first responsibility is to the citizens of H&F not a bunch of wealthy individuals, who without being too cynical, are probably also looking to make a few bob out of any move.
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Where have QPR asked for anything for free? Of course they will want to negotiate the best price possible but there isn't anything wrong with that and pretty standard practice in any form of negotiation, even more so with land and property.
The key issue here should be what % of Loftus Road will be social housing? If it's 15%, too low, if it's 50% may be too high, 35% bingo. It's a bit like goldilocks and the three bears!
As much as it isn't the councils job to support football club owners to make money its not for football clubs to supplement cuts to the public purse from austerity or remedy other gaps in infrastructure
If the last statement is aimed at Khan, Roman as well as the QPR board then that is fair. If not, it mirrors the councils current bias. [Post edited 7 Feb 2019 8:19]
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| QPR could leave H&F on 08:23 - Feb 7 with 2017 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| QPR could leave H&F on 08:06 - Feb 7 by Konk |
I think the council genuinely want to retain 3 clubs in the borough, hence they've generally supported Fulham and Chelsea with redevelopment plans. When I've been to meetings over the years, H&F have always made a big point of saying they will do what they can to keep all 3 clubs in H&F.
Without getting too political, most (all?) Local authorities are in an impossible situation at the moment re services and funding, so I wouldn't blame any council for trying to extract the maximum value it can for whatever assets it decides it can sell-off. They can assist with identifying land, supporting planning consent etc, but I wouldn't expect them to bend over backwards to assist Fernandes and co when it comes to the finances. Their first responsibility is to the citizens of H&F not a bunch of wealthy individuals, who without being too cynical, are probably also looking to make a few bob out of any move.
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Some fair points here but I'd imagine whoever eventually gets this land will be wealthy and will looking to make a few bob out of it. |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 08:24 - Feb 7 with 2016 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Listened to it again this morning, and I still fell very uneasy.
I feel uneasy with him starting a row with the borough, as that smacks of trying to bully them, an approach that rarely extracts what you want from the people who are holding it.
And I feel uneasy that it was Fernandes: either he did a solo run which would undermine the chairperson, or it was a group decision to put the controversial one out in front to start a public battle.
And I must reluctantly question the judgement of the podcast who should have seen this coming. This lands our club in a public spat with our borough at a tome when we need them desperately, and the podcast gave a platform to Fernandes to start it.
If this approach by Fernandes (and, possibly, his fellow owners) ends well, I'll be amazed. [Post edited 7 Feb 2019 9:27]
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| QPR could leave H&F on 08:33 - Feb 7 with 1998 views | Konk |
| QPR could leave H&F on 08:17 - Feb 7 by Dixie_CT |
Where have QPR asked for anything for free? Of course they will want to negotiate the best price possible but there isn't anything wrong with that and pretty standard practice in any form of negotiation, even more so with land and property.
The key issue here should be what % of Loftus Road will be social housing? If it's 15%, too low, if it's 50% may be too high, 35% bingo. It's a bit like goldilocks and the three bears!
As much as it isn't the councils job to support football club owners to make money its not for football clubs to supplement cuts to the public purse from austerity or remedy other gaps in infrastructure
If the last statement is aimed at Khan, Roman as well as the QPR board then that is fair. If not, it mirrors the councils current bias. [Post edited 7 Feb 2019 8:19]
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Brief response as I'm popping out, but Fulham agreed to finance works in Bishop's Park and open up the riverside walk as part of our redevelopment. I don't think we're acquiring any council owned land, so we didn't need to negotiate the price of any land with them. Had we done so, then I would have expected the council to drive a hard bargain as is their obligation. Not sure about Chelsea, but I think the land they've acquired was privately owned?
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