| Corona Virus 22:39 - Mar 7 with 437674 views | SgorioFruit |
Sorry for new thread,
But how bad do you lot reckon it’s going to get here in the UK?
I just been watching the news. Looking nasty in Italy. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 16:40 - Apr 9 with 1606 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 16:33 - Apr 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Pointless posting against Lisa and her acolytes, she is never wrong and never admits when she is proved to be wrong by inconvenient facts. |
And you believe scientists or don’t believe them according to whether they agree with you.
You always know more than experts. Always. About this, about climate change, about the economy.
It’s ridiculous. |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:42 - Apr 9 with 1606 views | raynor94 |
| Corona Virus on 16:40 - Apr 9 by londonlisa2001 |
And you believe scientists or don’t believe them according to whether they agree with you.
You always know more than experts. Always. About this, about climate change, about the economy.
It’s ridiculous. |
And the Swans, and he doesn't even go to the Liberty! |  |
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| Corona Virus on 17:00 - Apr 9 with 1572 views | monmouth |
| Corona Virus on 16:42 - Apr 9 by raynor94 |
And the Swans, and he doesn't even go to the Liberty! |
Well of course not, he’s not a fan, he’s a fan’s dad. Do keep up Raynes 🤣
And he’s in his 70s apparently, so the fan he posts on behalf of is likely what 40, 50? The identity and obsession with posting on here when he supposedly has only a passing interest in the football club has stunk from the start. Fabrication.
On the plus side he’s provided some great links so I forgive him absolutely.
Edit match day links I mean, not all the shit he’s been googling on corona. [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 17:01]
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| Corona Virus on 17:26 - Apr 9 with 1537 views | Zaxx |
It's such a shame that people aren't taking a step back from point scoring, politics and statistics.
People are dying, losing loved ones, struggling to breathe and suffering economic hardship.
Is compassion a thing of the past in the UK?
Oh, fcuk me. I could start a new thread on that question couldn't I?
Then I'd be clever and revered......... (sic) [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 17:28]
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| Corona Virus on 18:05 - Apr 9 with 1493 views | lifelong |
| Corona Virus on 17:26 - Apr 9 by Zaxx |
It's such a shame that people aren't taking a step back from point scoring, politics and statistics.
People are dying, losing loved ones, struggling to breathe and suffering economic hardship.
Is compassion a thing of the past in the UK?
Oh, fcuk me. I could start a new thread on that question couldn't I?
Then I'd be clever and revered......... (sic) [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 17:28]
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| Corona Virus on 18:14 - Apr 9 with 1477 views | jasper_T |
Taking a step back from politics and statistics is what our government has been trying to do. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 18:58 - Apr 9 with 1421 views | Zaxx |
| Corona Virus on 18:14 - Apr 9 by jasper_T |
Taking a step back from politics and statistics is what our government has been trying to do. |
Yet another political statement.....
Do they also discriminate between overspent and underfunding?
Just asking  | | | |
| Corona Virus on 19:03 - Apr 9 with 1399 views | magicdaps10 |
| Corona Virus on 17:00 - Apr 9 by monmouth |
Well of course not, he’s not a fan, he’s a fan’s dad. Do keep up Raynes 🤣
And he’s in his 70s apparently, so the fan he posts on behalf of is likely what 40, 50? The identity and obsession with posting on here when he supposedly has only a passing interest in the football club has stunk from the start. Fabrication.
On the plus side he’s provided some great links so I forgive him absolutely.
Edit match day links I mean, not all the shit he’s been googling on corona. [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 17:01]
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C'mon mun, Aberdare school for boys has the most educated people in the world. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 19:09 - Apr 9 with 1385 views | perplex |
Is it true the Government were advised to implement testing asap as a matter of priority when all this started to flare up but decided to ignore the advice, or is this a myth. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 19:13 - Apr 9 with 1376 views | majorraglan |
| Corona Virus on 16:22 - Apr 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you do not acknowledge today's data that Transplants have been drastically reduced?
Or that patients go to hospital with an illness and get COVID while in hospital and die?
You do not acknowledge that Operations have had to be cancelled because the ICUs are used for COVID patients or because the patients can't be put at risk of getting COVID?
In fact Royal Free London is cancelling some planned surgery from the 15th April. Their actual outpatient appointments changed since March 16th to telephone or video mostly.
You are London centric, try asking what is going on in Welsh hospitals, especially Singleton.
My own brother's heart op has been cancelled until COVID has finished.
Private hospitals were not setup to assist the NHS from the "start" the deal was not brokered until 21st March and came in to effect on the 23rd.
Neither half truths or bollox.
As for Nightingale, if it has not been needed why has it had patients since yesterday?
Other countries have shown how it should be done and it not how we have done it, but then you believed the government were right from day one. |
Most treatments are being cancelled in our hospitals because the risk to patients as a result of infection by Covid19 in a large number of the cases exceeds the risk presented by their original ailment. Sadly that is evidenced by the number of health care professionals who are being struck down by the virus.
Catching an infection is a serious risk and we often hear about people being infected by MRSA etc and I can understand why the Health Authorities are cancelling operations. A link to a Reuter’s article was posted in one of yesterday’s posts which referenced modelling undertaken by some prominent scientists who had calculated that as many as 500,000 could die under 1 particular set of circumstances, if you work backwards that would mean as many as 2 million could need hospitalisation, so I understand why the NHS cancelled everything. That said, I also totally understand the concerns of those who are ill and are waiting for urgent treatment.
I don’t agree that we needed to open the Nightingale facilities earlier, but having them ready for now makes sense. What should have been addressed earlier was PPE, ventilators and work on testing. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 19:29 - Apr 9 with 1367 views | longlostjack |
German army send 60 mobile ventilators to NHS - good gesture. Mind you with the state of some of their equipment half of them probably won’t work. 😂 |  |
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| Corona Virus on 19:45 - Apr 9 with 1345 views | Catullus |
| Corona Virus on 19:13 - Apr 9 by majorraglan |
Most treatments are being cancelled in our hospitals because the risk to patients as a result of infection by Covid19 in a large number of the cases exceeds the risk presented by their original ailment. Sadly that is evidenced by the number of health care professionals who are being struck down by the virus.
Catching an infection is a serious risk and we often hear about people being infected by MRSA etc and I can understand why the Health Authorities are cancelling operations. A link to a Reuter’s article was posted in one of yesterday’s posts which referenced modelling undertaken by some prominent scientists who had calculated that as many as 500,000 could die under 1 particular set of circumstances, if you work backwards that would mean as many as 2 million could need hospitalisation, so I understand why the NHS cancelled everything. That said, I also totally understand the concerns of those who are ill and are waiting for urgent treatment.
I don’t agree that we needed to open the Nightingale facilities earlier, but having them ready for now makes sense. What should have been addressed earlier was PPE, ventilators and work on testing. |
Yep, as one of those affected, I agree with you.
I had upcoming appointments, an abominal scan then on to see a gastroenterologist, an appointment for electrocondictivity tests then to see an orthopaedic surgeon and I was supposed to have had a hip replacement by May which obviously won't happen.
There are many like myself who will now have to wait and the vast majority won't be complaining because we can see the bigger picture. | |
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| Corona Virus on 22:08 - Apr 9 with 1269 views | majorraglan |
| Corona Virus on 19:45 - Apr 9 by Catullus |
Yep, as one of those affected, I agree with you.
I had upcoming appointments, an abominal scan then on to see a gastroenterologist, an appointment for electrocondictivity tests then to see an orthopaedic surgeon and I was supposed to have had a hip replacement by May which obviously won't happen.
There are many like myself who will now have to wait and the vast majority won't be complaining because we can see the bigger picture. |
I am sorry to hear that, hope fully the medical people can reschedule your appointments for the near futures and you can get the tests and treatment sorted. Best wishes. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 23:25 - Apr 9 with 1209 views | Jack123 |
I cannot understand why they are dithering over a proper lock down? Too me, just a man on the street, it makes perfect sense.. It will sort out the one's who are taking the pee for sure. Why they need to listen to the scientists for something like this, is beyond me, it's a new Fcking disease!!! So what do they really know? Let's get the data in, and then we will make a decision next week, pretty lame too be honest, the scientists have not got a scooby the way this disease will develop in the Uk, so I don't understand their hesitation in implementing proper measures.. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 10:13 - Apr 10 with 1094 views | Brynmill_Jack |
How rare is this? A pandemic with no cure or vaccine that spreads like wildfire and not only attacks the lungs but the heart too? Something ain’t right here..... |  |
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| Corona Virus on 10:26 - Apr 10 with 1079 views | Neath_Jack |
| Corona Virus on 23:25 - Apr 9 by Jack123 |
I cannot understand why they are dithering over a proper lock down? Too me, just a man on the street, it makes perfect sense.. It will sort out the one's who are taking the pee for sure. Why they need to listen to the scientists for something like this, is beyond me, it's a new Fcking disease!!! So what do they really know? Let's get the data in, and then we will make a decision next week, pretty lame too be honest, the scientists have not got a scooby the way this disease will develop in the Uk, so I don't understand their hesitation in implementing proper measures.. |
A proper lockdown that will stop people making unnecessary trips in their cars, to charge their battery's? One of those types of lockdown?
You can't complain about others breaking the guidance, but then do it yourself, because it suits you.
See how difficult it is out there? Everyone thinks that what they are doing is okay, and everyone else is a c*nt for doing it. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 11:06 - Apr 10 with 1043 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 23:25 - Apr 9 by Jack123 |
I cannot understand why they are dithering over a proper lock down? Too me, just a man on the street, it makes perfect sense.. It will sort out the one's who are taking the pee for sure. Why they need to listen to the scientists for something like this, is beyond me, it's a new Fcking disease!!! So what do they really know? Let's get the data in, and then we will make a decision next week, pretty lame too be honest, the scientists have not got a scooby the way this disease will develop in the Uk, so I don't understand their hesitation in implementing proper measures.. |
The problem is not is much that scientists don't have a clue, is that there is a lot of 'Me too!" and ambulance chasing going on. Partly as major funders have made a lot of money available and partly the rush by journals to get big covid19/SARS Co-V2 papers published. The normal filters of quality control are off. It's actually interesting that most Coronavirus and emerging viral medical specialists are not all over the media. A clear example is chloroquine paper by Raoult as there is increasing evidence that it has little effect with potentially damaging side effects. Also the UCL/Viner Group paper around the lack of effect of school closures-the latter is based on previous coronavirus epidemics (SARS and MERS) which are less transmissible. I just hope the government are listening to the experts who know, not those shouting the most.
I have no intention of moving into virology anytime soon, so I am being objective here | | | |
| Corona Virus on 11:16 - Apr 10 with 1030 views | BytholWyn |
Excellent, balanced article in the Guardian on the role of the WHO: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/apr/10/world-health-organization-who-v-cor
A number of legitimate criticisms have been made of the WHO, especially in regard to its dealings with China, but this article gives the necessary context to why the WHO isn't as effective as it should be, and would be if properly resourced financially and politically.
The evidence of not only the current situation, but previous epidemics and pandemics is that the WHO should be given more power and resources, not fewer. With so many authoritarian, populist and nationalistic governments in power around the world that seems a bit of a pipe dream. |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 11:17 - Apr 10 with 1027 views | Wingstandwood |
| Corona Virus on 11:06 - Apr 10 by Professor |
The problem is not is much that scientists don't have a clue, is that there is a lot of 'Me too!" and ambulance chasing going on. Partly as major funders have made a lot of money available and partly the rush by journals to get big covid19/SARS Co-V2 papers published. The normal filters of quality control are off. It's actually interesting that most Coronavirus and emerging viral medical specialists are not all over the media. A clear example is chloroquine paper by Raoult as there is increasing evidence that it has little effect with potentially damaging side effects. Also the UCL/Viner Group paper around the lack of effect of school closures-the latter is based on previous coronavirus epidemics (SARS and MERS) which are less transmissible. I just hope the government are listening to the experts who know, not those shouting the most.
I have no intention of moving into virology anytime soon, so I am being objective here |
Here is a question for you, I'd love to get an answer, its something that I've been very curious about.
I've seen some virologists recommend the wiping/washing. of shopping items because of possible surface contamination. What happens to a virus if its put straight into a freezer whiteout wiping/washing?
Does freezing help deactivate a virus or at the very least lessen its threat-potential upon thawing? Or does putting a contaminated item into a freezer do the total opposite i.e. help preserve the virus, making it inert only for it to be reactivated upon thawing? I'm intrigued by the fact that a virus is not deemed to be a living organism like bacteria and maybe freezing has no effect on its ability to do harm? |  |
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| Corona Virus on 11:43 - Apr 10 with 1002 views | BytholWyn |
| Corona Virus on 11:17 - Apr 10 by Wingstandwood |
Here is a question for you, I'd love to get an answer, its something that I've been very curious about.
I've seen some virologists recommend the wiping/washing. of shopping items because of possible surface contamination. What happens to a virus if its put straight into a freezer whiteout wiping/washing?
Does freezing help deactivate a virus or at the very least lessen its threat-potential upon thawing? Or does putting a contaminated item into a freezer do the total opposite i.e. help preserve the virus, making it inert only for it to be reactivated upon thawing? I'm intrigued by the fact that a virus is not deemed to be a living organism like bacteria and maybe freezing has no effect on its ability to do harm? |
Good questions (not least because I'm awaiting an Asda home delivery...) [Post edited 10 Apr 2020 11:45]
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| Corona Virus on 11:47 - Apr 10 with 994 views | DJack |
| Corona Virus on 17:00 - Apr 9 by monmouth |
Well of course not, he’s not a fan, he’s a fan’s dad. Do keep up Raynes 🤣
And he’s in his 70s apparently, so the fan he posts on behalf of is likely what 40, 50? The identity and obsession with posting on here when he supposedly has only a passing interest in the football club has stunk from the start. Fabrication.
On the plus side he’s provided some great links so I forgive him absolutely.
Edit match day links I mean, not all the shit he’s been googling on corona. [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 17:01]
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So, paid or unpaid shill/troll? |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Corona Virus on 12:20 - Apr 10 with 965 views | Highjack |
| Corona Virus on 11:17 - Apr 10 by Wingstandwood |
Here is a question for you, I'd love to get an answer, its something that I've been very curious about.
I've seen some virologists recommend the wiping/washing. of shopping items because of possible surface contamination. What happens to a virus if its put straight into a freezer whiteout wiping/washing?
Does freezing help deactivate a virus or at the very least lessen its threat-potential upon thawing? Or does putting a contaminated item into a freezer do the total opposite i.e. help preserve the virus, making it inert only for it to be reactivated upon thawing? I'm intrigued by the fact that a virus is not deemed to be a living organism like bacteria and maybe freezing has no effect on its ability to do harm? |
It’ll die when you cook it. Just use the same sort of food handling techniques you would with handling any other food and you’ll be fine. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 12:22 - Apr 10 with 1434 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 11:17 - Apr 10 by Wingstandwood |
Here is a question for you, I'd love to get an answer, its something that I've been very curious about.
I've seen some virologists recommend the wiping/washing. of shopping items because of possible surface contamination. What happens to a virus if its put straight into a freezer whiteout wiping/washing?
Does freezing help deactivate a virus or at the very least lessen its threat-potential upon thawing? Or does putting a contaminated item into a freezer do the total opposite i.e. help preserve the virus, making it inert only for it to be reactivated upon thawing? I'm intrigued by the fact that a virus is not deemed to be a living organism like bacteria and maybe freezing has no effect on its ability to do harm? |
All good questions. We don’t know the answer to any of this.
1. Whilst genetic material can be detected on a surface for 24 hours or so we don’t know viability in terms of infection
2. We don’t know how much virus is needed to cause disease-the infectious dose
3. We don’t know how domestic fridges and freezers affect the virus
It’s not something I have seen recommended by major researchers in the area but I know some very media savvy (relatively junior) scientists have been saying to do this..
So I genuinely don’t know. I would certainly take care handling and washing hands on receipt of any delivery, but iI can’t see this being a major risk.-Certainly much lower than going to the supermarket . I would say take care and be sensible. I won't Be washing or decanting. Wash all fruit and veg prior to use and wash hands before and after handling food. | | | |
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